Adding to Tinktonks idea (was Re: Spinner's End)

[laurawkids]

No: HPFGUIDX 156834

> Tinktonks butts in:
> 
> Ok so try this for size. It wasn't Snape at Spinners End. It was a
> polyjuiced Dumbledore. Both are sufficiently good
> Occlumens/Legilimens that nobody would be able to tell the
> difference. It was DD who took the UV that would take his life. He
> knew throughout the whole book that Draco's attempts to kill he
> WOULD end with his death because if Draco failed the vow would kick
> in and kill him instantly anyway. This is why he shared all the
> information about Horcruxes with Harry. This is also why he told
> Harry to confide in Ron and Hermione (Obviously counting that
> Hermione's logic would be important when he was gone)
> 
> Snape knew of this situation and had been ordered to take the 
killing
> shot so that none of the DE or LV found out that Snape had allowed
> DD to take his place. The look of revulsion was because Snape knew
> he had to kill someone he cared for and that it should have been 
him
> who had taken the vow in the first place and died instead.
> 
> Tinktonks (Anyone buying this one even for a second? I actually
> quite like it!)
>

Laurawkids:

WOW!  I like that!  I've been trying to figure out why Sluggy has 
made vats of polyjuice and felix in the first place.  He did not do 
it for Crabbe or Goyle to use.  Why would there have to be so much?  

It is because there was someone in the Order who had plans to use 
them.  They are taking the bad guy's ploy and using it too.  

So isn't it so obvious that DD would polyjuice himself as Snape 
(after learning about the rules of behavior around LV from a 
legilimens session), pop a good bit of Felix just to be sure, and 
set off to talk to the LV mano-a-mano in disguise?  Talk about the 
good information that would yield.  DD being more powerful/wise 
would be able to get more out of LV.  

This is how I'm imagining the tower scene to play out then:

-DD has promised to kill *himself* if Draco cannot kill him.  Things 
only go critical when the Des show up, thus making it a now or never 
situation.  

-Snape is not happy about any of it, thus the look.

-(my old theory) DD is wearing some sort of physical protection, and 
Snape blasts him into the sky instead of it killing him.  (He really 
should just slump to the ground with no signs of anything wrong with 
his body...see the autopsy report of the Riddle family.)

-moments before he dies from the vow from not killing himself, while 
hanging "suspended" in the air, he engages his time turner watch.  
He probably also turns invisible and gets his wand.

-he goes back to when Snape takes the vow, and substitutes himself 
for Snape with the polyjuice, thus taking the "sin" upon himself 
(yes, I'm also one who sees a lot of the Christ story here, too ; ) 
Whenever a story mimicks/mirrors the Good News, people are drawn to 
it, because it fulfills a deep need.  JMHO ) 

-He could do any number of things in this re-lived year.  This is 
the great thing about him being able to be invisible without a 
cloak, he will never risk seeing himself.  As the "time-turned" DD, 
he would just lurk about invisible most of the time and be able to 
walk right past himself.  OR, his watch actually has a hand on it 
that tells him where his "time-turned" self is at all times. How 
about both of those!   (BTW has anyone noticed this?:  GOF us pb 
pg.713-14:  "Harry slumped back against his pillows as Dumbledore 
disappeared.  Hermione, Ron, and Mrs. Weasley were all looking at 
him.  None of them spoke for a very long time."  Sounds like they 
were shocked to see him disappear, even though I always read it as 
if he walked out of the room.  The "him" they were looking at should 
be DD because he is the last person referenced) 

-Since Hermione uses her turner at least once a day to go to 
classes, couldn't DD have been using it to relive days with Harry 
all along?  That might explain how his hair seems to have gone grey 
so suddenly.

-He could fast forward to the moment of death right after he has 
taken a fatal wound from some other show-down, and/or die or just be 
finished off by the fall.  Thus the trickle of blood.  He really did 
die a few moments before the crowd got there.

-AND...Snape is not guilty of murder AT ALL, just of a bad wounding 
under orders from DD.  

_So, in this, DD can be really, truly dead, we can see DD in new 
action in book 7 by being shown his time-turned memories (obvious to 
Harry because he "knows" that DD was with him at that same real time 
moment),things can feel wrong during the tower scene (I mean we all 
noticed that there wassomething fishy there), and Snape can still be 
Dumbledore's man!

Crazy (but I hope like Jack!)?  I think DD's watch implies time 
travel, and I also think DD is supposed to be a God-figure while not 
quite being a god in this story.  He loves and forgives, and is 
insistent upon free-will, and seems in a way to be constrained to 
letting people make their own mistakes while also doing things 
around them to minimize the damage, and steer things in a positive, 
loving direction.  The reason DD seems foolish to many is that he is 
not controlling people when he could.  He -is- pulling strings 
forward and backward in time and influencing and spinning opinions 
without forcing people to act as he'd like.  That is like God to 
me.  God's foolishness is a stumbling block to Satan (LV is a Satan-
figure, but not quite Satan himself), because Satan cannot see how 
love and free-will could ever win.  Don't get me wrong, I can't 
square everything in the books with this view.

So I think that DD has used the time-turner (omnipresence), 
invisibility (nature of spirit), and his vast store of wisdom 
(omniscience) and power (omnipotence) and some big cauldrens of 
Polyjuice and Felix to take events that were not really the best, 
and make them turn out all right in the end.   

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that 
love God"  Romans 8:28  And Fawkes is the judge of who really loves 
DD or not.  

Laurawkids, who feels she probably went to far, but likes stirring 
it all up anyway.