OFH SNAPE was: Script from JKR's reading/ About Snape and Dumbledore
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Tue Aug 15 18:36:39 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 156969
> > > > >>Renee:
> > > <snip>
> > > What if Lupin merely wants to avoid suggesting that Harry's rescue
> > > of Sirius has played an indirect role in his resignation? Harry's
> > > despondent enough at the time, thinking he has accomplished
> > > nothing. Also, Lupin knows he deserves to leave anyway, whatever
> > > Snape's motivation is. So he comes up with the - admittedly lame -
> > > Order of Merlin explanation. Note that he doesn't present it as
> > > a fact, but as an opinion.
> > If Lupin is lying here, it's a white lie.
> >
> > Betsy Hp:
> > Yeeaahh... I tend to agree with you. Only... It does make Snape out
> > to be petty and childish doesn't it? "Meh, he made me lose my
> > precious reward so I'll snitch on him and make him lose his job.
> > Nyah." I see a bit of the classic passive-aggressive stuff Lupin is
> > so very, very good at going on here.
>
> Renee:
> Sure, he's cultivating the idea that Snape is petty and childish, but
> I happen to agree with him: Snape can be very petty and childish at
> times.
Pippin:
If it's Lupin's intention to smear Snape's character then it's hardly a
white lie. Lupin himself admits that that he did put children
in danger and the parents have a point about not wanting him to
teach, but he imputes no such benign intention to Snape. There
is nothing in canon to say that Snape does not take his
responsibilities as Head of House seriously. Why on earth
wouldn't he be concerned about his students with a werewolf
loose on the grounds?
All this duplicity has to be in the story for a reason. Why is it
there? So Harry can discover that (gasp!) Lupin is weak? That
Lupin doesn't actually like Snape very much? ::raises eyebrow::
Watching the BBC's version of Pride and Prejudice the other
day, I noted that what the characters say as they try
to dismiss their concerns about Wickham makes them sound
very much like some real life Lupin supporters I've heard. Yes,
he did a terrible thing, but he must have changed, he's such a
nice person, and he's suffered so.
Of course it turns out that they're kidding themselves -- the
P&P characters, that is. <g> Brooding, bitter Mr Darcy is
the one who is good, and Wickham, the likeable fellow with all
the appearance of goodness, is the villain. Hmmmm.
> Betsy
> > I think Lupin lacks the sort of initiative required to
> > become ESE.
Pippin:
He says that he led his friends to become Animagi. He
easily took command of his class. Sirius does what Lupin says.
> Renee:
> This lack of initiative is one of the three main reasons I don't
> believe in ESE!Lupin either, the other two being JKR's statements that
> she loves him, and the token-good-werewolf thing.
Pippin:
She says she loves all her characters, including the bad guys. And
I don't believe that JKR approves of tokenism. It's a much stronger
message if Harry still believes that werewolves should have the
same rights that wizards do even after he learns that
Lupin has betrayed him.
Pippin
who notes that Fenrir is in good physical shape and that
Lupin's deterioriation is similar to Draco's.
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