Scar Horcrux - again!

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 157099

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> > KJ writes:
> > 
> > I find this very confusing, and I question this every time I   
> > see it. Why, if Voldemort put a piece of his soul into a snake, 
> > would he then take on the appearance of a snake? Would the snake 
> > not start to look like Voldemort?
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> > I think it is more of a statement about loss of humanity, and as 
> > a Slytherin Parseltongue what else could he look like?

Mike here:

I'm with you KJ. I, too, don't see how adding something *to* the 
snake would make LV get something *from* the snake. Wouldn't it be 
far more likely that in LV's experimenting years he used snake venom 
in some experiment. We know he uses Nagini's venom to make his Baby!
Mort body, did he use snake venom before this to see if this would 
work? LV seems the type to have tried a lot of weird things and he 
definitely has an affinity for snakes. I have no problem believing 
snake venom is used in a lot of dark magic potions. LV, if nothing 
else, has got to be the most knowledgable potion maker in the WW, 
dark potions yes, yet who but a potions whiz could have whipped 
himself up a *NEW* body.

Besides, like KJ said, what else would he transform into. What do 
you want to bet LV as an animagus would be a Basilisk or some other 
huge venemous snake. I don't no the term here (reversing the logic?) 
but mabe LV uses snake venom as sustinance is because he has snake 
qualities inherant to his make-up.

> 
> Brothergib:
>
> How many Horcruxes do we think LV has made when he appears at 
> Hogwarts to request a job.
<snip>
> The evidence certainly suggests that these Horcruxes were probably 
> made by this point. And yet LV does not resemble a snake at all. 

Mike again:

Sorry to cut you off here but I beg to differ. This is the passage 
in HBP, page 441, US:

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Voldemort had entered the room. His features were not those Harry 
had seen emerge from the great stone cauldron almost two years ago: 
They were not *as* snakelike, the eyes were not yet scarlet, the 
face not yet masklike, and yet he was no longer handsome Tom Riddle.

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It's my emphasis on the *as*. LV may not look like he does in GoF 
but is there any other way to read this than to admit that LV had 
already started to look snakelike, just not *as* much as he will be 
in the future? And considering all LV goes through between this 
meeting and the GoF rebirth, it seems perfectly logical that the 
difference in appearance would be stark.

> Brothergib again:
> However, he is snakelike on the back of Quirrel.

Mike again:
Actually, Harry only comments on his nostrils being slits, like a 
snake. I know, nitpick.:-) Cause Harry is so shocked to find LV on 
the back of Quirrell's head that we can't really tell how snakelike 
he looks. Besides, he has *probably* made all his Horcruxes by this 
time.
 
> Brothergib again:
> Is it because he has merged his soul with Nagini? Even though he 
> has removed part of his soul and placed it in Nagini, it is still  
> a part of HIM!

Mike again:
DD told us that LV can't feel when a Horcrux is destroyed. Didn't 
know the Diary!Horcrux was gone until Lucius admitted as much. 

Yet, you want this *supposed* Nagini!Horcrux to somehow be 
transmitting the physical appearance of the body it is inhabiting 
back to the *mother ship* causing the body the *mother ship* is 
inhabiting to change it's appearance. Strikes me as improbable. 

Far more likely, IMO, that a satelite soul piece wants out of 
whereever it's currently lodged so it can rejoin the *mother ship*. 
IMO, that is why LV hides his Horcruxes or generally puts space 
between himself and these satelite soul bits. He doesn't want these 
guys to reform with his home base, that would be counter to his 
purpose of creating them in the first place.


> Brothergib again:
> The fact that it does not appear that anyone has ever tried to 
> make a Horcrux from a living object, might explain why LV takes on 
> some of the attributes of Nagini.

Mike again:
Or maybe it's like DD says, it is inadvisable to do so because it is 
risky making a Horcrux of something that can think and move for 
itself.(paraphrase from HBP - Horcruxes) I didn't hear DD 
speculating on the appearance of either LV nor Nagini.


> Brothergib again:
> Why would it be that his loss of humanity after creating 3-4 
> horcruxes does not make him snake like, but after 4-5 it might??

Mike again:
See above, he was snakelike just not to the degree he is now.

Carol thinks LV made Nagini a Horcrux before Godric's Hollow. He was 
in no state to do so at the Riddle house and I agree with that 
assessment. Brothergib, you also seem to agree with Carol, at least 
with Nagini!Horcrux. But now we seem to have a logical disconnect. 
It was DD's *speculation* that Nagini could be a Horcrux. It was 
DD's firm belief that LV was trying to collect 4 founder's objects 
to make Horcruxes. He had 2 objects. He had also used the diary and 
the ring. So he has 4 of 6 Horcruxes made but only used 2 founder's 
objects.

Why would LV have abandoned his plan, what DD was adamant he was 
attempting (4 founder object!Horcruxes), just to make Nagini a 
Horcrux? Especially *before* his downfall at GH! I'm sorry, but it 
seems ooc, illogical, and unwarranted for LV to do this.

Mike, wondering where Nagini came from in the first place and what 
kind of a snake she is.