Voldemort killed personally?

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 157165

>-- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" wrote:
>
> >--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> 
> > > Geoff:
> > > Regarding moaning Myrtle, surely the Basilisk killed her, 
> > > according to her own testimony in COS. <snip>
>  
> > Carol:
> > Surely, Geoff, you don't think that Tom Riddle is innocent of 
> > Myrtle's death and it was all the Basilisk's fault? True, it's a 
> > bloodthirsty and murderous beast, classified as XXXXX by the MoM 
> > bcause it's so deadly, but who released it? Why was it released, 
> > if not to kill people? Whose command was it under? Who was with 
> > it and spoke to it before it killed Myrtle? Who "set it on" her, 
> > to use Diary!Tom's own phrase? 
> 
> Geoff:
> No. but there is a subtle difference. The name of this thread is 
> 'Voldemort killed //personally//".
> 
> I take that to mean situations where he himself pointed the wand 
> and cast the curse. It's a bit like having a contract killer to do 
> your dirty work for you. You are still guilty of the murder.
> 
<snip> 

Mike now:

As long as we are getting off on the Murder_for_Horcrux_making 
thread, I'd like to interject some canon myself. Check pg 498, HBP, 
US, you know the part. Sluggy say, "By *committing* murder." Not 
commissioning murder, not causing the death with malicious intent, 
not duping another to perform the act. I checked my dictionary, 
committing means performing, actually doing. Whether Tom would be 
guilty in a court of law for Myrtle's death is immaterial as to 
whether Tom could have made a Horcrux from it. (yes, Geoff, I 
understood that you weren't saying this.) We have no other 
explanation besides Sluggy's, so I'm forced to accept his. IOW, in 
order to perform the Horcrux creating spell successfully, it must be 
done in conjunction with a murder by the *hand* of the horcrux 
creator.

As Dave points out in another part of this thread, DD never said he 
thought LV used FB's death to create a Nagini Horcrux, only that 
this was when the *idea* occurred to LV. So this case is not the 
same as Tom and the Basilisk. Also, Hokie took credit for poisoning 
her mistress in the same way that Morfin took credit for killing the 
elder Riddles. So, I don't have any problem with the reading that 
Tom used Hepzibah's murder for horcrux making just as he could have 
used his relations murders to do the same. 

BTW, DD said that Tom killed his relatives "in the summer of his 
sixteenth year" not when he was sixteen years old. (I made this 
mistake myself) This puts their murders in 1942, Tom is 15 and about 
to start his 5th year at Hogwarts. This makes their murders Tom's 
first murders AFAWK. Sorry, I don't like the timing either, but 
canon is canon.

Mike, who scoured CoS for any mention of Tom wearing a ring, any 
ring, but didn't find it. But then, Harry wasn't much interested in 
jewelry, was he?