Moaning Myrtle---Muggleborn?

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 157231

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jordan Abel" <random832 at ...> wrote:
>
> > Random832 wrote:
> > > But he _was_ guilty of something, that it's arguable 
> > > was worthy of expulsion even _without_ having caused 
> > > a death. ...edited.... Raising an acromantula inside 
> > > the castle, which no-one disputes he did, ...

> > Abergoat responds:
> > But did Hagrid ever get cleared? I believe Fudge takes 
> > him away in Chamber of Secrets once the trouble starts 
> > again. ...

> Random832:
> I meant he was cleared in the course of the book itself, 
> and released from Azkaban by the end of it. He certainly 
> was present at the school for book 3 and later. Yet he 
> wasn't allowed a wand.
> 
> -- 
> Random832
>

bboyminn:

Well, as if you didn't already know, I have a theory about this.

First, in CoS, Hargid is imprisoned for the /current/ troubles at the
school. When that trouble is resolved and it is clear Hagrid had no
involvement, he is released from prison. In fact, in the immediate
circumstances, it was the fact that Hagrid was in prison that cleared
him. Problems continues after he went to prison so he couldn't have
been involved.

Now, in the process of all that, a second event occurred; it was
shown, but not proven, that Hagrid wasn't involved in the circumstance
that occurred 50 years ago. I say shown but not proven because Tom
confesses to Harry, but that doesn't leave them with much evidence to
take to the Ministry. I suspect it would be considered hear-say. 

However, informally the Ministry does accept Hagrid innocence of the
event that occurred 50 years ago. In fact, in the next book, GoF, we
see Hagrid assisting the Ministry by using magic. So, at that time it
is generally accepted that Hagrid is innocent and that he is now
allowed to use magic. BUT, and this is a big but, there was no formal
hearing to reverse Hagrid's previous conviction. That's why Hagrid
can't officially use a wand, because his original conviction has not
been overturned.

In the next book, OotP, Dumbledore and Harry and anyone close to them
is out of favor with the Ministry. We see the extreme lengths that the
Ministry or members of the Ministry will go to discredit or destroy
Dumbledore and Harry. Now we see the Ministry willing to severely
enforce the long standing sactions agains Hagrid. 

On an general informal basis everyone accepts that Hagrid is innocent
and that he should be allowed to use magic, but the ruling against him
was never formally reversed. It probably didn't seem urgent or
necessary when Dumbledore and Harry were on good terms with the
Ministry, but in unfavorable time, it's a weapons the Ministry can use
against Hagrid and Dumbledore.

I keep hoping that Harry will force the issue, and make the Ministry
give Hagrid a full and formal pardon, thereby allowing Hagrid to buy a
new wand. Though I am greatly saddened that he will not be able to by
an Ollivanders wand. This is one of the issues I want resolved before
the end of the story.

So, the apparent inconsistencies and apparent discrepancies in the
books with regard to Hagrid, are the difference between general
acceptance and official formal legal acceptance. 

Just one man's opinion.

Steve/bboyminn