replying to Lupin as a mind reader

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 157301

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "wynnleaf" wrote:
<snip> 
> Two examples of this phrase with Lupin are in POA, and one in 
> OOTP.  There may be more -- I'm looking.

Mike here:
Lupin legilimens examples that I count:
PoA:
1. Kids not eating the chocolate on the train.
2. Lupin assumes Harry will have a Voldemort boggart.
(interesting the difference between the British and American 
versions, how in the British Harry admits he was thinking of 
Voldemort at first. Us Yanks didn't get that legilimens clue)
3. Lupin tells Harry, "nothing to do with weakness", just after 
Harry was thinking it.
4. Lupin is suspicious about Harry's explanation over tasting 
butterbeer. Ron and Hermione could have brought Harry a bottle, just 
like Lupin was about to give Harry a bottle.
5. Lupin looks like he's trying to read Sirius' mind in the shack.
OotP:
1. Once at Privet Drive Lupin answers Harry before he asks.
2. Once outside of Grimmauld Place Lupin cuts off Harry's question 
with the answer. (This one could be just common sense)
3. Lupin's eyes are fixed on Sirius during the after dinner debate 
with Molly. Not proof, but everyone else is looking back and forth 
between the two.
4. Lupin knows some extendable ears have survived Molly's purge.
Are these the one's you had.

<snip> 
> wynnleaf again: 
> I'm a bit surprised that no one found this particularly  
> interesting. Perhaps everyone has discussed this in depth much    
> earlier. But if Lupin is a legilimens it could have major 
> implications. And I think JKR's repeated use of that phrase, in 
> addition to other examples of intent "looks" or "closed" looks, 
> and examples of Lupin knowing little things about people he 
> couldn't have known, does point to legilimens. <snip>

Mike again:
IIRC, someone (sorry I can't remember who, for attribution) has 
postulated that Lupin is an OK legilimens and we have been given 
abundant clues to that effect to figure it out. Another clue is  
Lupin knows that Snape is a "superb Occlumens", he has tried 
legilimens on Snape and got nowhere. Just because it isn't formally 
announced isn't sinister, JKR expects us to figure it out. Besides, 
a legilimens doesn't want others to know he is one, doesn't want 
others on their guard to thwart his efforts. Nature of the magic, ya 
know.

I am unconvinced of Lupin's true intentions or whether he will crack 
under pressure. But so far, none of his legilimency seems to be used 
for sinister ends. It just looks like he is practicing it whenever 
he can, you know, honing his skill.

<snip>
> wynnleaf finishes:
> Oh, and the Sectumsempra chapter shows Snape using legilimency 
> without any mention of his using his wand. There are examples of 
> wandlessmagic periodically throughout the books and legilimens 
> appears to be a spell that a powerful wizard can use wandlessly.

Mike finishes:
Yeah, kinda makes you wonder what Snape was trying to accomplish in 
those Occlumency lessons. Looks more and more like Snape was worried 
about an uninvited guest gaining access without really being there, 
if you know what I mean. Harry tunes into LV when LV is feeling 
strong emotions, why wouldn't it work in reverse? Did ya notice that 
just after Snape berates Harry, just after Harry blurts out the 
question, just after Snape admits spying on LV is his job, Harry 
comes up with the idea of casting Protego to reverse the legilimency 
and see into Snape's memories? Is it possible someone subconciously 
suggested that spell to Harry, someone who wanted to know a little 
more about Snape's spying? Just a thought.