How long have Fich / Hagrid been at Hogwarts?Was: CHAPDISC:HBP19,Elf Tails

[Hagrid]

No: HPFGUIDX 157517

> > > Kathryn Jones:
> > >
11. Hagrid called Filch "a sneaking Squib." Have we ever
heard Hagrid talk to another co-worker like this before
and what does it say about their relationship? Do you
think that Hagrid has some personal conflict with Filch?
Does this seem out of character for Hagrid? Does Hagrid
share the WW dislike of Squibs?

> > > Houyhnhnm snipped:

For all of Hagrid's self-proclaimed loyalty to the Hogwarts
staff, he seems to have some pretty choice words for those
he really dislikes--Lockhart and Umbridge, IIRC. I think
it is Filch's personality that Hagrid dislikes rather than
the fact that he is a Squib. ... No doubt it is reviving all the bad
memories of his own experience fifty some years before.
> > 
> > Snow:
> > 
> > Yep! I thought that Filch was making Hagrid feel that he 
> > was as far down the totem pole as Filch always thought 
> > he was 
>  
> > Magpie:
> > ...we do all realize that what you described is classic
> > bigotry, right?  That Hagrid is asserting his  "dominance" 
> > by reminding Filch of his inferior circumstances ....
> > 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> No, I don't personally think that Hagrid's actions are bigoted. He 
is
> responding to an insult with an insult, but it is Filch who levels 
the
> first insult. 
> 
> Would Filch have taken the same attitude with any of the other
> teachers? I don't think so. ...
> I understand Filch's mistake. He has little power in
> his war against the students and against Peeves, and it must be
> extremely frustrating to be charged with after-hours order and the
> general up-keep of the castle. So, I can see his overenthusiasm at
> finally having caught someone. ...Anyone working with that many
> students in a boarding school would be frustrated, and that is
> probably, most surely, compounded by the fact that the students are
> magical. 
> 

Aussie / Hagrid,
>From an unbiased point of view (LOL), YES, we have seen that kind of 
talk before in canon. After Harry's first week, Hagrid invited Harry 
to his hut and called Filch "that old git". Hagrid was angry that 
Filch seemed to have Mrs Norris follow him everywhere.

The "Squib" reason was nowhere to be seen. Just an on-going feud 
between the two Hogwarts staff members.

I propose Hagird's first loyalties were to:
1. Magical Creatures (excluding Mrs Norris)
2. Dumbledore 
3. Hogwarts as Hagrid's home (and all the emotions that go with 
that - that was repeated to McGonagall at the end of HBP when she 
asked if the school should be closed)
- and the students? Each one varies. But Harry is connected with 
Dumbledore, so is right at the top of Hagrid's list.

If Hagrid (about 65 years old) calls Filch an OLD git, how old is 
Filch and when did he start working at Hogwarts? For that matter, 
when did Hagrid start living at Hogwarts? 

Hagrid's dad died when RH was 6. When RH was expelled, did Dumble 
plead his case to Dippet to have living quarters set up for him, or 
did Dumbledore bring RH back only after Dumbledore became 
headmaster? 

Lupin had said, he knew for a fact that Filch confiscated the 
MMap "Years and years ago", so that sounds like Filch was working at 
Hogwarts when James was there. Were Filch's chains and manacles used 
on James and Sirius, (like in the good old days)?

Part of Filch's job discription was looking for students wandering 
the castle at night. Hagrid's job discription for years were OUTSIDE 
the castle, not inside. Filch may have been like a snarling dog 
prootecting his territory.

At the start of every year, Dumbledore reminds the students that 
Filch does not allow magic outside of classes. (Inferiority complex 
from a Squib?). Harry used some of the HBP's curse on Filch earlier 
in the book (Sticking Filch's tongue to the roof of his mouth).

More questions than comments there. But i don't think Hagrid was 
motivated just because of Filch being a Squib.

Aussie