ACID POPS and Teenager Draco - Motivation?

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 157536

---  "sistermagpie" <belviso at ...> wrote:
>
> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > While I am not discrediting all the things that have 
> > been said so far, but let us not forget that Draco 
> > went to Voldemort with the Vanishing Cabinet Plan. 
> 
> Magpie:
> No, he DID NOT.  I'm sorry to be so vehement but I can't 
> stand having this presented as canon.  Voldemort 
> discovered Lucius had destroyed the Horcrux.  His anger 
> was terrible to behold. ...

bboyminn:

Sorry but your wrong, or at least as wrong as I am. What 
is the very first thing that occurs chronologically in 
the book? Not the first thing the books reveals to us, but 
the first thing that occurs chronologically. Anwer: Draco 
figures out that there are two connected Vanishing Cabinets; 
one inside Hogwarts, one outside. This occurs late in the 
previous school year or over the summer. I think it is a 
fair interpretation of canon, that the entire Draco plot 
grows from that piece of information. 

Knowledge of the Vanishing Cabinets is valuable 
information that Voldemort would definitely want to know.
He has a secret way into Hogwarts that has not yet been
discovered in 1,000 years. He has a way to get DE's into 
the castle so fast there will be no time to mount any 
resistance. As events unfold, the resistance that was 
mounted was barely standing their ground. 

It make far more sense for Draco to get in, THEN get in 
over his head, than for Voldemort to single him out and 
dump the whole task on him. Yes... yes... Lucius... 
diary... angry... etc.... But Voldemort knew about the 
diary over a year ago and he still trusted Lucius with 
the Ministry Raid.  His anger wasn't even remotely 
'terrible to behold' until Lucius messed up the Minsitry 
Raid and lost him the Prophecy, all compounded by Lucius 
getting himself and several of Voldemort's best Death 
Eaters landed in prison. Sorry, but you can't base this 
all around the Diary.
 
Certainly NOW Draco's task is ultimately to kill 
Dumbledore, but what is his means for doing this? It's 
getting the Vanishing Cabinet working. The cabinet leads 
to an attack on Hogwart, which in turn leads to an attack 
on Dumbledore, which ultimately leads to Dumbledore's 
death. Since knowledge of the cabinet is the first thing 
to occur, and it represents critically vital information, 
it make sense to me that it is the seed around which the 
whole plan is based. 

True you start your premise based on something presented 
in the books, but then you expand it with nothing but 
speculation and claim it as canon. The books say that 
Voldemort gave Draco the task of killing Dumbledore. You 
say that is the one and only absolute task Voldemort gave. 
I take the same information, and say that Draco provided 
Voldemort a way into the castle, and out of spiteful 
gratituded, Voldemort expanded the task beyond anything 
Draco expected. Those theories are both based on the 
/same canon/. Though I feel mine presents a reasonable 
progression of events that takes Draco in far far over 
his head.

> Magpie continues:
> He gave Draco the task of killing Dumbledore as a 
> response.  Draco  could kill Dumbledore any way he wanted.
> Because he's not supposed to succeed in killing Dumbledore.
> He's supposed to get himself killed trying to kill 
> Dumbledore.
>  ...
> 

bboyminn: 

True the Dark Lord gave Draco the task of killing 
Dumbledore and wasn't too concerend with Draco's safety 
in the process. But that is where we end, not where we 
start. Why? Because even with Draco dead, Voldemort still 
knows the secret of the Vanishing Cabinet. Voldemort 
could have killed Draco on the spot and he really wouldn't 
have lost much. He could have gotten someone else to fix the 
cabinet, and still had it as an avenue for attacking Hogwarts. 
Keep in mind that to Voldemort everyone but himself is 
expendable. His DE's aren't people they are fawning admiring 
tools that he casts of casually on a whim. With Draco dead 
or alive, the Cabinet is still the seed of any plan to attack 
Hogwarts or Dumbledore. So, if Draco succeeds-fine, but if he
fails and dies-still fine, Draco's information is still the 
foundation for attacking Hogwarts. 

I claim that as a reasonable and logical sequence and 
progression of events, my scenario makes more sense than 
your, and it is based on the same canon. Keep in mind that 
my scenario doesn't exclude yours. In fact, to some extent, 
it definitely includes yours. It is actually your scenario 
that denies mine, and further denies logic to some degree.

We start from the first thing we know, Draco's knowledge of 
the secret of the Vanishing Cabinets, and we proceed from 
their in an orderly fashion. 

In the end, as vehemently as you defend your position, it is 
based on the same canon as mine, and just as mine is, it 
fills in the blanks with a lot of speculation and 
interpretation.

Your telling use where we end, I'm telling us where we began;
that's the difference, but the canon is the same. 

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn