The DDM or ESE Snape debate Continues!!(was:Re: A couple of little theories!)

horridporrid03 horridporrid03 at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 2 00:33:27 UTC 2006


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> >>Jenni from Alabama:
> I've personally always detested Snape. He makes my skin crawl!

Betsy Hp:
I've long since resigned myself to the fact that there are those poor 
souls out there who completely miss the wonderfuly sexy beast that is 
Snape. <tongue firmly in cheek>  So I'm quite sure I'm not going to 
change your mind, but I can't resist commenting on a few of your 
points, Jenni.

> >>Jenni from Alabama:
> He's so mean to Harry all through the books.

Betsy Hp:
And yet he just can't quite seem to keep himself from constantly 
saving Harry's life.  ::sighs a bit over how gosh darn heroic Snape 
is::

> >>Jenni from Alabama:
> He seems to condone cruelty to others - especially if it's done by 
> Draco and done to one of the Trio.

Betsy Hp:
Kind of like how the Trio condone cruelty to "others" especially if 
it's done to Draco (or any Slytherin, really)?

And how can you not melt a little at the tender kindness Snape showed 
a near dying Draco?  I mean, he sang!  (Seriously, that was like a 
puppies and kittens moment for me, folks.  Who'd have thunk we'd ever 
get a sweet!Snape?)

> >>Jenni from Alabama:
> Of course the HUGE thing is killing Dumbledore!!

Betsy Hp:
... yeah actually I've got nothing. <g>  That is a huge thing, and 
while I certainly see *why* a DDM!Snape (or Dumbledore's Man Snape) 
would do such a thing, it all rests on book 7.  (But I'm pretty darn 
confident that a DDM!Snape will finally be definitively revealed <g>.)

> >>Jenni from Alabama:
> It's not just that Snape actually killed Dumbledore, it's the look 
> on his face that JKR describes just before he did it - of revulsion 
> and hatred.

Betsy Hp:
You mean, the exact hatred and revulsion Harry was feeling (for 
himself) as he force-fed Dumbledore poison in the scene just before 
this one?  That look of hatred and revulsion? ::grins madly, because 
I really, really love that parallel::

> >>Jenni from Alabama:
> It's the comments he makes to Harry about Lily being a 'Mudblood'.

Betsy Hp:
I'm calling for a canon check on this one: when does Snape *ever* 
comment to Harry about Lily being a mudblood?  For that matter, does 
Snape ever speak of Lily to Harry?

> >>Jenni from Alabama:
> <snip>
> However, there IS a little voice inside my head that is saying that 
> Snape will redeem himself in the last book somehow. I don't know   
> why I feel that way. I can't stand Snape. But yet it is there, 
> whispering.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
It's the sexy beast thing.  Snape is too darn cool to completely 
write off.  Doubts of his pure evilness will linger.  Goodness, even 
Harry likes to curl up in bed with him!  (Erm, okay, I'll admit I'm 
stretching things on that last one...  But Harry definitely felt a 
kinship with young!Snape.  See?  Even Harry can't completely write 
off Snape!)

Betsy Hp  [Completely off-topic here (and most if not all, won't care 
<g>) but it's come to my attention that due to my sign off on my last 
post folks think I'm actually on a beach somewhere.  Alas, I'm still 
at home, shivering in a suddenly cold Kentucky.  I was just trying to 
make a clever allusion to an opening statement I'd made in that 
discussion about a billion and six posts back.  Often I think I'm 
being clever and I'm, well, not. ::sigh::]





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