Is there a limit on the number of Horcruxes a person can make?
Jen Reese
stevejjen at earthlink.net
Sat Dec 2 04:46:56 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 162262
Steve/bboy:
> My impression of Dumbledore's statements on this matter leaves me
> with an intuitive feeling that Dumbledore has his doubts about
> Nagini. He seems to be saying that IF Voldemort made his 6th
> Horcrux then it is /probably/ Nagini. Now I know that is far from a
> direct quote, but Dumbledore's attitude combined with his
> statements just doesn't leave me with the same feeling of sureness
> that he has with the other known Horcruxes.
Jen: Dumbledore's not as definitive about Nagini as the other
Horcruxes, that's very true. He uses phrases like "I wonder"; "I
think"; "it might have occurred to him to use..." Not phrases that
inspire complete confidence in his conjecture.
Steve/bboy:
> So, in my opinion, the jury is still out on Nagini. Dumbledore's
> statements could be a red herring, a misdirection to send Harry off
> on a /wild goose chase/. Yet, is Harry likely to encounted
> Nagini /before/ he encounters Voldemort? I don't see how, so if
> Nagini is or is not a Horcrux, Harry can't possibly find out until
> the last minute.
Jen: I've always pictured Nagini being part of the final chapters
regardless of whether she's a Horcrux or not and Harry will face a
huge serpent under Voldemort's control once again. Only this time
Harry will understand his Slytherin traits are useful: He doesn't
fully grasp how his 'cunning' helped him obtain the memory from
Slughorn, or why he identified so much with the HBP, but before the
end of Book 7 he'll discover he can use the powers Voldemort passed
to him to his advantage. The use of Parseltongue to control snakes
was foreshadowed in COS and never played out because Harry didn't try
it out in the chamber. He does have the ability to control snakes
just as Voldemort does, and he might be able to control Nagini.
KJ:
> 2. He has no more affinity for animals than he does people. I
> think that he values Nagini as something owns rather than important
> enough to use her as a horcrux. He possessed her on one occasion
> for a short period of time. As she is such a large snake, and the
> duration a short one, she suffered no ill effects. When Voldemorte
> possessed smaller snakes and animals, they did not survive.
> Voldemort would realize that Nagini's life span could not be
> trusted to harbour a horcrux long enough.
Jen: Nagini appeared in the story after Voldemort was in Albania so
I figured he found her there and she was one of the snakes he
possessed until Wormtail arrived on the scene. The other possibility
is when Wormtail arrived, Voldemort realized he had a helper to mix
and administer the potion and they found Nagini at that point for her
venom. Either way, I think it's possible Voldemort possessed her
before the time Harry dreamed about.
On another thread I speculated the smoke snakes coming out of the
silver instrument were Voldemort and Harry, symbolizing their growing
connection but still 'in essence divided'. Several people replied
the smoke snakes were Voldemort and Nagini and that was the moment
Dumbledore started to wonder if Nagini was a Horcrux. I'm still not
certain but if true, then Nagini is not like the other animals
Voldemort possessed. She is still able to retain her own essence
even while being possessed which means she would be more like
Quirrell than the rats or snakes in Albania. Still, everything else
you said about not having an indefinite life span is true and the
choice to use her would be one of those decisions that leave you
scratching your head about Voldemort's plans.
KJ:
> I think that Nagini is a red herring used to inform us that a soul
> piece can be put in a living being, but that the living receptacle
> still has the ability to think for itself. I believe that Harry has
> a soul piece, which gives him the power the Dark Lord knows not,
> and that it will end up being the final soul piece to be destroyed
> somehow.
Jen: Well, something is a red herring! Either Nagini as a Horcrux or
Dumbledore's explanation of the 'curse that failed' and transfer of
powers. A soul piece in Harry seems plausible to me, the only thing
I stumble over every time with this explanation is Dumbledore knowing
Voldemort 'put a bit of himself in Harry' and never guessing
the 'bit' is a soul piece. His biggest emotional mistake? Maybe so,
maybe so, he's said his love for Harry interferes with seeing the
truth.
KJ:
> For this reason, I am convinced that Voldemorte has not made any
> more horcruxes. If he does so, not knowing that Harry has his sixth
> horcrux, what would the effect be? Perhaps making one too many
> horcruxes by accident would overwhelm the magic and destroy all of
> them. That doesn't seem a very exciting ending though.
Jen: Off on a tangent here: I could see both Nagini and Harry as
Horcruxes and Dumbledore being wrong about another Gryffindor or
Ravenclaw object. That would leave only the cup to locate and
destruction of the locket and cup. Nagini, Harry's soul piece and
Voldemort would all be destroyed near the same time in the final
confrontation. That would really narrow the quest down for Harry
although he won't know he's reached the final bell when he, Nagini
and Voldemort find themselves thrown together for some reason. Harry
would still think there are more Horcruxes to destroy not realizing
all the reamining ones are present and accounted for.
Jen R.
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