The Train Scene GoF (was:Re: JKR and the boys (and girls)/Harry, Draco and bath

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> Betsy Hp:
<SNIP>
> Sure, *Harry* had just gone through something pretty terrible and 
> frightening.  But what's Ron and Herminoe's excuse?  Or the twins 
for 
> that matter?  If just witnessing their friend's trauma is enough 
> would this mean Pansy would have been justified hexing Harry from 
> behind after the bathroom incident in HBP?

Alla:

What is their excuse? If Harry being traumatised is not sufficient 
excuse, then  the fact that Hermione is the one who is being 
threatened with her life and Ron loves her ( we do agree on that, 
yes? Even if Ron cannot quite figure that out yet) and twins I think 
figured that out even if Ron did not. So that would be their excuse 
IMO.

And if Harry was the one who started the fight in the bathroom, then 
yes, I would understand Pancy feelings.

Of course as you said we won't change each other minds on that scene. 
I am convinced that Draco was making a death threat and evaluate the 
scene accordingly.

Betsy:
> This is a situation where I know I won't change any minds, but in 
> this scene the Trio and the twins acted like brutes.  They 
physically 
> attacked someone's words.  (And poor Crabbe and Goyle hadn't even 
> said anything.)  And then they cold-bloodedly stepped on and showed 
> no care for the bodies they left behind.  (So much for Gryffindor 
> chivalry.)

> Betsy Hp:
> Well first of all, a brave Draco is still just a verbal Draco.  But 
I 
> also don't really care if Draco was looking for a fight or not.  
It's 
> one of those basic laws of behavior that used to be taught to 
> children, you don't need to lower yourself to the other guy's 
level.  
> It's okay and in fact more mature to walk away.  Harry and friends 
> seem to be of the thinking, if the other guy pulls a knife, you 
pull 
> a gun.  Which is an entirely different sort of philosophy.

Alla:

Yes, it is Okay to walk away. It is not always possible to walk away, 
when you went through such trauma so recently and now the son of one 
of those who witnessed your torture comes by and starts issuing 
threats to your best friend ( as I see it of course).

 
> > >> Magpie:
> > > In his universe, Draco's not even exceptionally bad.<SNIP>
>  
> > >>Alla:
> > Really? I am sorry, but I do not remember another kid in school
> > actively participating in assasination.
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Ginny Weasley.  She sent more children to the hospital wing than 
> Draco.  And it was just luck (and some effort on Harry's part) that 
> kept her from killing her fellow students.
> 
> But, I think Magpie might have been refering to Draco's threat 
> level.  Do you honestly think any member of the Trio or the twins 
> felt that Draco was really a viable threat to their lives?  After 
> realizing that Draco wasn't the Heir in CoS, I think he became much 
> more of an annoyance to their minds than an actual threat.
<SNIP>

Alla:

I am not sure what Magpie was referring to. I was referring to " not 
exceptionally bad" comment. When is Ginny Weasley of her own free 
will plans assasination attempts? ( when she is not under the 
influence of Tom Riddle?)

I am happy to report that I am fully recovered from the brief state 
of having something like pity towards Malfoy dearest. :)
I must have thinking too much of HBP, so thank you guys for reminding 
me of Malfoy's disgusting deeds throughout the books. Now if I am 
again in that strange state of pitying him, I will go and reread 
Malfoy enjoying Buckbeack being sentenced too death or this scene.

JMO,

Alla.