Harry, Draco and bathroom/ Flitwick as duelling champion

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No: HPFGUIDX 162427

> wynnleaf:
<SNIP>
> Eggplant, I think JKR intends Harry to feel very guilty about his 
use 
> of Sectumsempra.

Alla:

I agree, but as I said above I believe that she intends him to feel 
guilty for his own benefits more than anything else, not for what 
happened in the bathroom but before.

Wynnleaf:
  While I personally fault him much more for planning 
> to try it on another student just to see what happens, I don't 
> completely blame him for using it on someone firing off a crucio at 
> him.  There's also the fact that the last time Draco had fired on 
> Harry, it was to freeze him and then break his nose.  So Harry 
would 
> and should have expected something Bad from Draco.

Alla:

Yes.

Wynnleaf:
 On the other hand, 
> I'm not sure that, with Draco only getting out half the word before 
> Harry fired, Harry actually had time to register "wow, Draco's 
using 
> crucio, not something mild like the jelly legs jinx!"  I think 
Harry 
> would have used Sectumsempra regardless what spell Draco had used.

Alla:

On that I must disagree, because Sectusemptra is not the first spell 
Harry uses. I really believe that he uses spell for enemies as act of 
desperation.

> Pippin:
> As Hermione recognized when she founded the DA, that's what 
training 
> and practice are for. You do  your thinking  in advance, then 
practice
> so that mind and body will respond appropriately without 
deliberation.
> But in contrast to the three  previous years,  Harry hadn't been  
> methodically practicing his practical DADA skills outside class, 
had he?
> Oops. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, that is true. Harry was not been practicing as much as he should 
have been. He was too busy trying to investigate assassination plot. 
Ooops indeed. I am agreeing with you partially, I am just thinking 
that the reason why Harry did not practice is ironic.


>> Pippin:
> Careful. If wizarding law is irrelevant, then what's wrong with an
> incomplete, powerless Crucio? Granted that wizarding law may not
> be much as a mirror of divine justice, (as medieval philosophers
> thought it should be), it still represents the agreements that
> wizards have made about how to live together. To violate those
> agreements for personal gain is more  worthy of Slytherin in
> its decline than Gryffindor, IMO.


Alla:

I don't think AD was saying that wizarding law is irrelevant here ( I 
will let him correct me if he did) I think he was saying that 
wizarding law is inconsistent and would be unlikely to do anything in 
that situation, not that it should not be enforced. Or at least that 
is how I understood him.


> Carol:
> Maybe he was protecting
> Flitwick (who could no more have been a dueling champion in is youth
> than I could given his size)
> 
> Sarah:
> What.  Seriously, what?  Flitwick is less magically powerful given 
his
> size?  What on earth is your reasoning for that?  It's seriously one
> of the weirdest arguments I've seen, ever.  I don't understand it at
> all.
> 
Alla:

Me too. Yoda anyone? He seems to manage pretty well, hehe. And since 
when in the books your size is the sign of your power. House elves 
anyone?

Hagrid on the other hand does not seem to be very magically powerful 
IMO, although he was not allowed to finish education so maybe his 
abilities did not develop.