Sirius, Snape and werewolf incident/ Quote from PoA.

[wynnleaf]

No: HPFGUIDX 162513

> Alla:
> 
> No, sorry that does not follow to me at all. It seems perfectly 
> plausible to me that Sirius had no clue that Snape figured who 
Remus 
> is and went in wanting to kill Remus.  
> 
> So, Sirius looks bad right now, I do not see how he can look any 
> worse, unless of course the idea that Sirius wanted to kill Snape 
> would get canon support - not as Sirius sending Snape to the 
danger, 
> but Sirius **wanting** Snape to die.

wynnleaf,
Even if Sirius supposedly didn't think that Snape would die or be 
injured, one would hope that at least after the incident occurred, 
teachers impressed upon Sirius that these were the likely results of 
Snape's meeting up with a werewolf.  Yet even as an adult (1 year 
out of Azkaban) Sirius still thought that Snape "deserved" his 
prank -- and at that point Sirius should have been well aware that 
the prank could have resulted in Snape's death.  
> 
> > Alla:
> > > Neri, just think of how easy that would be to do - all that 
> needed 
> > is 
> > > to say that Snape did not waste time reading that werewolf 
essay 
> in 
> > > pensieve scene and figured out way before he went to Shack who 
> > Remus 
> > > was and that he went to Shack to prove how good of Dark art 
> experts 
> > > he was to kill that dark creature, with the curse of his own 
> > > invention, no less.
> > > 
> > > Ummmm, yeah, that I can see happening.

wynnleaf
Problems with this possibility.  How would we ever discover this in 
Book 7?  Apparently the Marauders thought that Snape was just 
snooping to get them expelled, so Lupin isn't going to reveal some 
extra knowledge about Snape's intentions.  That means that if Snape 
really intended to kill Lupin, no one knows, but him.  I don't see 
Snape as the type of character to -- like Voldemort -- make some 
long incriminating speech about how way-back-when he tried to kill 
Lupin/werewolf.  I tend to think if we can't invision how JKR would 
reveal something, we have to assume it didn't happen.  But I'm sure 
you'll think of something....

Alla
> Come to think of it Why would the "James not saving Snape life" 
not 
> be true, if Snape may have no chance to use it?
> 
> I was speculating that he **wanted** to use it, NOT that he 
actually 
> did.

wynnleaf
The bigger reason Snape wasn't going to the Whomping Willow 
expecting to kill a werewolf -- he ended up owing James a life debt 
for saving his life.  This means that first, Snape wasn't equipped 
with a werewolf-killing spell.  Snape came away angry at owing James 
his life, when he felt that James was in on the trick to begin 
with.  But if his purpose had been to kill Lupin, then his real 
feeling wouldn't be "oh damn, my enemy saved my life!" but 
instead, "Foiled again!  That idiot James messed up my perfect plan 
to kill Lupin.  I had this great spell that kill werewolves.  I 
didn't need to be 'saved.'  I just needed a chance at a good shot."  
There's no way, if Snape felt he could have killed the werewolf 
himself - and even wanted to do so -- that he'd feel he owed his 
life to James.

> Alla:
 There is only one book 
> left as we all know, and still JKR promised more about that 
blasted 
> night, so that maybe rather important to the end of the books IMO.

wynnleaf
Does anyone know where that quote is?  I've read it before and I 
actually thought it was a little ambiguous as to whether JKR meant 
we'd learn more about the prank, or simply more about the hatred 
between Snape and the Marauders or Sirius.  I tried to find it on 
Accio Quotes (used to be Quick Quotes) and can't locate it.


Alla quoted from POA
> "They planted the Whomping Willow the same year I arrived to 
> Hogwarts. People used to play a game  trying to touch the trunks. 
In 
> the end, a boy called Davey Gudgeon nearly lost an eye, and we 
were 
> forbidden to go near it. No broomstick would have a chance" - 
p.186, 
> PoA, paperback, am.ed.
> 
> Again, I don't have any thoughts about it, I just find it strange 
and 
> I don't know why.
>
wynnleaf
I'll have to look up who said this.  I'm assuming Lupin?  It could 
be some part of a bigger story eventually, OR it could just be 
another good example of how Lupin is so deft at telling partial 
truths and shifting focus toward or away from things, in order to 
hide truth.  Whether he's ultimately a good guy or bad guy, he is 
definitely skilled at hiding the truth.

wynnleaf