Harry, Draco and bathroom

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 162523

> Katrina:
> 
> Lots of argument about a scene I used to think was fairly 
> straightforward...

Alla:

What scene ever is? :)

Katrina: 
> Draco is upset, crying, having a private moment. :)
> Harry walks in on him. Draco feels vulnerable so he attacks. He 
then 
> attempts to hurt Harry for seeing him like that with the attempted 
> Crucio, Harry stupidly uses an unknown spell and hurts Draco badly. 

Alla:
You meant to say Harry stupidly uses an unknown spell to **defend 
himself**, no?

Katrina: 
> For some strange reason Snape lets off Harry really lightly, 
> considering his crime.

Alla:

Huh? So now defending himself against Unforgivable, against the curse 
that Harry felt upon himself and saw what prolonged effect of that 
curse can do is not self-defense, but a crime?


Katrina:
 And I doubt Snape was worried about Azkaban for 
> Draco- it would be simple enough for Snape to claim Draco was 
> Imperius'ed, and besides, Harry used Crucio and he's not in 
Azkaban. 
> Obviously the Unforgivable curses are not quite that, since many 
> people here seem willing to give Harry a pass on them, but not 
Draco. <SNIP>

Alla:

Draco was imperiused? Simple to claim? We don't know that. Yes, Harry 
is not in Azkaban, we don't know if the charges were not brought up, 
he would not have been.

Katrina:
> And don't tell me Harry was in fear of his life fighting Bellatrix 
> because he wasn't. He's the one who ran after her for revenge. 
> 
> Harry and Draco are both in the wrong.

Alla:

Um, yes, he was not in fear for his life, yes, he wanted revenge for 
the death of his godfather. 

Katrina:
> Draco for using Crucio, or trying to, and Harry for seriously 
injuring 
> his opponent. Harry was never in danger of losing his life- if he 
> wasn't scared of Malfoy when he was frozen, helpless, why would he 
be 
> afraid now? Harry's never taken Draco's death threats against 
himself 
> seriously, because they aren't. They are a way of letting off 
steam, 
> and Harry's smart enough to know that.

Alla:

I am sorry, but what? Since when the use of Unforgivable is not 
serious enough to be afraid of?

Draco never previously used Unforgivable against Harry, I guess there 
is the first time for everything.



Katrina: 
>  The scene on the tower shows that Draco isn't capable of murder. 
His 
> ridiculous, roundabout attempts at killing Dumbledore are obviously 
> done because he is under pressure and scared for his family, and 
they 
> are so inept as to make one wonder if Draco wanted to succeed- as 
if 
> he was subconsciously sabotaging himself. 
<SNIP>


Alla:

Draco was happy to start preparing Dumbledore assasination without 
having a clue that he would be blackmailed by Voldemort. Sure, if he 
was blackmailed right away, that would be a different story.

He was **happy** on the train. That tells me a lot.

And all that scene on the Tower tells me that he could not kill 
Dumbledore face to face. Because of his "clumsy" assasination 
attempts two people almost died.

Poor Draco indeed.

JMO,

Alla