[HPforGrownups] Re: ESE, DDM, OFH, or Grey? (WAS: DDM!Snape the definition)

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>Pippin
<snip>
There's plenty of dynamic in this version, because this Snape has  never
felt that his atonement was sufficient, and Harry is the only one  who
can make him see that it is, or tell him what he needs to do to  complete
it.
 
Nikkalmati
 
IMHO Because SS believes he contributed to LV's initial rise, he feels he  
must see his way through until LV's ultimate downfall and nothing less will  
cleanse him 

>Sydney
<snip>
>He [Snape]also doesn't get any scene that would establish a goal or  motive
that he's be out for himself *for*. There are only a few things  we
see him wanting in canon. The DADA job, which is famous being so
cursed  it's almost impossible for Dumbledore to find someone who'll
take it.  Vengeance on Sirius-- so long as he thought he was a Death
Eater. And for his  students to pass their exams! There's a whiff of
his being pleased to be  offered the Order of Merlin, but that's not
exactly consistent with him  simply being interested in which side will
win. 
 
Nikkalmati:
 
Agreed, he should at least have been feathering his own nest during the 13  
or so years before LV returns, but we do not see that he has taken any steps to 
 assert himself or establish a network during that time.
 
>Neri
<snip>
>My point is that, if JKR goes for LID!Snape as I think, then Snape  
finally repaying his Debt and saving Harry's life should come as a 
big  surprise in the climax of book 7 (at least surprise to anyone who 
hasn't  read the Life Debt theories). If at this point most readers 
still believe in  DDM!Snape, then there's no surprise, only 
disappointment (when it turns out  he's only LID and not DDM). So I 
predict that during the first half of Book  7 we will get much more 
compelling evidence that Snape isn't Dumbledore's  Man. 
 
Nikkalmati
 
LID!Snape depends on a complicated construct built around the life debt  
about which we know very little.  The only canon we have is that the life  debt 
doesn't prevent PP from trying up Harry and cutting his arm open to get his  
blood.  Yes, and standing around while LV tries to kill Harry.  We  don't know 
Snape had a life debt with James, we don't know a life debt can be  transferred 
to another person. It also appears the gods of the life debt  should be 
satisfied by the incident in PS/SS where he kept Harry from falling  off his broom.  
Quirrell himself thought he could have killed Harry,  if he had only had a 
few more moments.   It also makes no sense for  Snape to be motivated primarily 
by a life debt to Harry as though once he had  saved Harry all his problems 
were over and he was free.  The overriding  purpose of SS's life since he 
returned to DD is the destruction of LV.   Saving Harry is not enough. This 
overriding purpose is compatible with LID  ESE or DDM!Snape, although for different 
reasons, of course  <g>. 
 
Nikkalmati




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