[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Draco and bathroom.

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 162735

> SisterMagpie Wrote:
>
>> Voldemort's "duel" with Harry is a sham, like
>> a cat playing with a mouse before he kills it.
>
> A sham!? Harry won that duel with Voldemort!

Magpie:
Let's stick to the specific point being made. Voldemort is playing with 
Harry when he throws the Crucio. He makes Harry go to prove how weak he is. 
That Harry surprises him does not change the fact that Voldemort thinks he 
is a cat playing with a mouse before he kills it. He raises his wand and 
points it at Harry.

Eggplant:
I don't know why people keep saying that. Harry's spell wasn't perfect but 
what spell is the very first time you try it? Harry's spell was good enough 
to make Bellatrix scream and stop that stupid baby talk.

Magpie:
They're not putting Harry down for not doing his spell "perfectly" they're 
pointing out the canon given for why Harry's spell (which is actually pretty 
good for a first try for Harry) is not a Crucio like Bellatrix throws. It's 
not just about anger, which is what Harry is throwing it with--as is Draco.

Eggplant:
 And if Harry had not successfully
> defended himself and had received the curse how could Draco let him
> live and tell what had happened? It would mean life in Azkaban for
> Draco. Harry might have just disappeared with no body ever found.

Magpie:
As I said earlier, I don't buy the idea that Draco's attempting a Crucio 
immediately equals Draco killing Harry (not that there's a story about Draco 
not being a killer or anything) and destroying his body in a wood chipper 
(which naturally would get Draco off scott free...err, somehow). Harry 
himself attempts to throw Crucios twice and never thinks of himself as 
risking these things.

If Harry had not successfully defended himself against the curse I think two 
far more likely outcomes would be either Harry would feel the kind of curse 
that Bellatrix felt when he threw a Crucio at her or less or Harry would be 
in a great deal of pain for a short period of time. However, since Draco did 
not finish the curse, none of this happened--nor did his subsequent murder 
of Harry after torturing him into insanity--so we don't know.

Otoh, why not just use this defense for Draco? He's got every reason to 
think Harry is going to kill him in the bathroom. It was self defense. He's 
got to get Harry first. Harry's hurt him in the past (more than Draco's hurt 
Harry), he's been stalking him all year. He needed to jump in in the moment 
he had an opening, when Harry was down, and not only disable him but keep 
him from trying to attack Draco again. If Harry's got a little ouchie for a 
minute boo hoo! This is war! You can't advance to the next level of the 
video game if you think about other people like a Goody Twoshoes!

So both boys are even. Harry was great for throwing Sectumsempra. Draco was 
great for throwing Crucio.

-m