The Cabinet Plan...again (was:Re: The UV (was ESE, DDM, OFH, or Grey?)

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 162783

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at ...> wrote:
>
> > a_svirn:
> 
> > That's the thing that bothers me about the bathroom scene, for 
> > instance. We are told quite unequivocally that Harry was oblivious 
> > to the danger of using an unknown jinx labelled "for enemies", 
> > which, of course, makes his case so very different from Draco's. But 
> > I just can't swallow it. After all he'd been through he *should* 
> > have known better than that. Quite suddenly from being "on the brink 
> > of manhood" he reverted to a silly little boy mode, and he hadn't 
> > been all that silly, even when he'd been little. 
> 
> Pippin:
> No? Isn't he the guy who took off for Hogsmeade on a lark when
> he knew there was a murderer on the loose who especially had
> it in for him? And it wasn't fear of the consequences that made
> him realize it was dumb, it was Lupin's disappointment with
> him. 
> 
> Don't you know anyone who did some incredibly stupid and
> reckless things as a teenager that they wouldn't have done 
> as a child and wouldn't do now as an adult? 

a_svirn:
I know lots of people who acted stupidly as teenagers and went on
acting stupidly as adults. 
Harry, however, isn't normally reckless and irresponsible. His actions
in the third year were silly, yes, but he actually listened to Lupin,
and afterwards he usually demonstrated more consideration for his and
his friends' safety and welfare. (To the point of being rebuked by
Sirius, who thought such attitude too tame). We know he kept his head
while fighting with death eaters and Voldemort. He spent an entire
year learning and *teaching* the defence magic. I find it completely
implausible that his experience and his training failed him during a
perfectly trivial (if dangerous) alteration with Draco Malfoy. 


> Pippin:
> The necklace and the poison illustrate Draco's subconscious
> conflict. 

a_svirn:
What does it mean "subconscious conflict"? Does it mean that he wasn't
conscious about possible consequences of his actions? Not likely. Does
it mean that he was conscious about the consequences, but, as Magpie
says, didn't dwell on them? That's only too likely, but the effort of
pushing such thoughts from his mind must have been conscious. 

> Pippin:
They  didn't require Draco's personal
> involvement, 

a_svirn:
Considering that it was Draco who sent both, he was involved alright.
Personally.