The Cabinet Plan...again (was:Re: The UV (was ESE, DDM, OFH, or Grey?)

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 162797

> > a_svirn:
> He spent an entire year learning and *teaching* the defence magic.
>  I find it completely implausible that his experience and his 
training 
> failed him during a perfectly trivial (if dangerous) alteration 
with 
> Draco Malfoy. 
> 
> Pippin:
> Really?  What would you expect from a quarterback who  hadn't 
> actually played or practiced football for a year?

a_svirn:
I would expect him to play football. I wouldn't be surprised if it 
turned out that he wasn't on the top of his form, but I would be 
surprised very greatly if he forgot completely the rules of the game. 

> Pippin:
> It's been pointed out that Harry didn't need skill in the past and
> reacted correctly by instinct. But he had help. In the bathroom 
> there was no Fawkes to pass him the diary as a hint,
> no time-turned memory to serve as a guide, just "your own brain 
> or guts or whatever--like you can think straight when you know 
> you're about a second from being murdered or tortured, or watching
> your friends die--". That, as Hermione pointed out, was why
> they needed to practice. Harry stopped practicing and he
> screwed up. Nothing unbelievable about it. What would be
> unbelievable is if he had known just what to do.

a_svirn:
He didn't exactly screw-up. His reflexes were as good as ever, and he 
defended himself, didn't he? It's just that he was a bit over-
enthusiastic about it, as Lupin would say. 


> Pippin:
> The relationship between the conscious and the subconscious
> has been compared to a boy riding an elephant. But Draco 
> doesn't know he's on an elephant -- he's not aware that most
> of his mind (Dumbledore calls it his heart) isn't with the program. 
> Consciously, he's pleased with the necklace and the poison. 
> They can get the job done and won't be traced to him. 
> 
> Unconsciously, he's pleased with them because they put him at a 
> distance and haven't got a great chance of success. Draco's 
> subconscious mind  doesn't fill him with fears about the failure of 
> his plans, so he doesn't feel pushed to scrutinize them. 

a_svirn:
I very much doubt that Dumbledore called Draco's mind his heart. That 
would be too confusing. And if he is so pleased with himself 
consciously and unconsciously how come he is in the state of 
conflict? 

> Pippin:
> Draco doesn't have to make a conscious effort to push things out
> of his mind because his subconscious is doing a bang up job
> of making sure they never get there in the first place.

a_svirn:
I repeat, where do you see the conflict then? That's quite apart from 
the question of how one can plot a murder without giving it a 
conscious thought. Quite an achievement.