Snape and Umbridge and abuse again/ Ending for Snape

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 162940

> > Alla:
> 
> > 
> > How about threatening to kill student's toad? How about 
assigning 
> > the detention to that student to make him **cut toads* ( 
> > paraphrase)?
> 
> Pippin:
> A horned toad is neither a toad nor a frog. I'ts a lizard. 
> I'm afraid it's not Snape who has the nasty imagination here. 
> <SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, it was brought up in the discussion that Neri's post started, 
are you sure JKR did as thorough research and knows that too?

I am afraid she chose them for poor Neville to cut  because she saw 
the creatures with the word **toad**. IMO of course, so yeah, I am 
sticking with Snape having pleasure from watching Neville cutting 
dead lisards,which called toads  :)

Pippin:
> There's no doubt that Snape abuses his power and is a bully, 
> but that is not quite the same thing as abusing students, 
> which has to do with  repeated episodes of damaging
> behavior, ala Umbridge. I cannot see that Neville, Harry or 
> any other student was ever harmed in Snape's class.

Alla:

I am not going to go into all episodes that I consider harm done, I 
am not going to go into Harry being afraid to go to his first 
Occlumency lesson, which is IMO a perfect example of him indeed 
developing scare of Snape to some degree, I will just stick with 
lizards - toads. Are you sure ( that is if we assume) that JKR chose 
those creatures thinking that they are toads that it did not cause 
Neville any harm?


Pippin:
> As for Dumbledore, I reckon he might have stopped people
> from abusing one another, only his time seems to have been
> entirely taken up with trying to get them to stop murdering. 
> I really can't argue with his priorities.
>

Alla:

I seem to recall that he did not manage to stop people from 
murdering each other either, so as far as I am concerned he may have 
tried paying some attention to abuse.


>  "antonia31h" wrote: 
> > 
> > Why does Severus have to suffer horribly? Why do I get the 
feeling
> > that people hate him even more than they hate Voldemort or any 
other
> > evil character? 
> 
> Potioncat answers by quoting Jo:
> 
> From an interview with JKR 16 July 2005:
> 
> MA: Oh, here's one [from our forums] that I've really got to ask 
you. 
> Has Snape ever been loved by anyone?
> 
> JKR: Yes, he has, which in some ways makes him more culpable even 
> than Voldemort, who never has. 
> 
> Potioncat, who hopes Alla doesn't go into shock when she reads 
this 
> post.


Alla:

Oh dear, dear, dear. Why would I go into shock when it is you who 
said that? :) Now if that was somebody else, I just might go into 
shock. :) I guess I have not really said that for quite some time - 
trying to um... sort of stay away from Snapocentered discussions ( 
well, sort of - since Snape comes up in basically every topic, it is 
not quite possible, but at least I think for the last couple weeks 
or so I tried to not discuss Snape loyalties, inner workings of 
Snape mind etc)

Since yesterday I figured I do not want to anymore. :) So, yes, as 
always your ability to look at the opposite side arguments is very 
very much appreciated.

Back to the quote, you know what indeed amases me is how this quote 
gets discounted as IMO very strong evidence that Snape is not 
necessarily loyal to Dumbledore.

If one does not pay attention to interviews at all, that is one 
story, but since I do.... He is more culpable than Voldemort.... 
rather chilling to me.

JMO,

Alla