[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Forgiving Snape / Grey!Snape and Character Growth

[elfundeb]

No: HPFGUIDX 162987

zgirnius:
> Y'all are welcome to sit next to me at our campfire. :D
Debbie:
Why, thank you!

Jen:
> > I still see OFH characteristics in Snape even if he's been loyal
> from
> > the minute he returned to Dumbledore.  Whether that's part of the
> JKR
> > misdirection or a real part of his character is hard to say.  I'm
> > banking on real.
Debbie:
I'm banking on real, too.  I'd say he's got OFH! tendencies regardless of
his loyalties because, in a very real sense, Snape is doing this for
himself.  He is either doing penance for his sins of his own accord or
fulfilling a life debt or bringing down the contemptible Tom Riddle, but
these are all personal to Snape.  I don't think he's loyal to Dumbledore
because he wants the WW to be a better place.
> zgirnius:
> I'd say it's real; what I don't see is why this would make Snape OFH!
> in the big picture. Snape's a person, not an automaton. Since I
> believe he's DDM!

Debbie:
No one characteristic *makes* Snape OFH! (or DDM! or anything else for that
matter).  It's just a piece of evidence to consider.  Overall, he makes too
many choices that are probably inconsistent with an OFH! label, but he is
not a selfless, magnanimous creature.  One of the reasons he's Dumbledore's
man is that Dumbledore has better things to offer *to Snape* than Voldemort.

> > Jen: I'll draw up a chair for that one. You said earlier we won't
> see
> > Snape's torment since it's Harry's story--do you think the solioquy
> > will make it in or you just feel Snape's story calls for some
> > agonized reflection?

Debbie:
I feel that Harry's path to forgiving Snape will seem flat and one-sided
without seeing the parallel Snape story.  As it is now, I'm not sure that
Harry will appreciate just how difficult Snape's choices have been.  So, I
think the story calls for it.

zgirnius:
> I'm betting we get something of this sort (*blushes, that she does
> not recognize the source of the quote*). Probably in a scene with
> Harry. If we get a Spinner's End style scene with a dramatic
> narrrator again, I would guess it will be more Snape and Death
> Eaters, so again it will be ambiguous and not a time for Snape to
> express himself.

Debbie:
I'm voting for a Snape-Harry scene near the end of the book (perhaps one of
those scenes JKR has been envisioning for 12 years).  I don't think an
ambiguous scene will work, and it wouldn't give Harry the understanding I
think he needs.

Debbie
still putting off the baking, but she did write a grocery list and wrap all
her presents


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