Book 7 Title - Objects of Power

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 163092

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> > montims:
> > The Oxford English dictionary  shows:
> > hallow
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> > /*hal*o/
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> > *verb* *1* make holy;  consecrate. *2* honour as holy.
> > *3* *hallowed* greatly  revered.
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> > *noun* archaic a saint or holy  person.
> > and Halloween
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> > (also  *Hallowe'en*)
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> > Julie:
> > ... if Hallows are "saints" or "holy persons"- or ...
> > souls that been ... sanctified by going beyond the 
> > veil? So the title refers to Harry and those behind 
> > the veil who will eventually help him ...edited...

> leslie41:
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> ...I don't think Rowling would be so fey as to disguise
> the horcruxes with a trick name.  It's not like her 
> with regard to her titles.
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> All of her titles are really self-explanatory.  
> Harry Potter and the...
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> Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone
> Chamber of Secrets
> Prisoner of Azkaban
> Goblet of Fire
> Order of the Phoenix
> Half-Blood Prince
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> In some cases we have to learn who or what the person or
> thing is, but the name itself is never a trick or a 
> riddle.   
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> So, like Julie, I lean towards the simple answer--
> "deathly" meaning "having the appearance of death" or
> "deathlike". ...
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bboyminn:

On the interpretation of 'Deathly', we agree, I think it
refers far more to 'death-like' that to 'death' itself.

However, there is still an aspect of 'Hallows' that you
are ignoring.

> leslie41:
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> ... "Hallow" can be a verb, but "Hallows" cannot, at 
> least in this context. So it's an adjective modifying a
>  noun.  
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bboyminn:

Here is the part where we disagree. I think the 'S' on the
end is the very thing that makes this a Noun. As discussed
in another thread -

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/163043

'Hallows' can be revered or venerated objects; in 
other words a Noun. 

In Irish and British history there exists sacred objects
that are referred to has 'Hallows'. Here is a quote from
the 'Mystical' 'Arthrian A-to-Z' website -

"The Hallows across most legends are seen to represent 
the royal regalia carried by the King, or the objects 
sought by someone such as a 'Grail Quester' in both 
ancient and modern stories."

Four Irish Hallows -
http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/arthuriana2z/h.htm
(scroll down to 'Hallows')

Thirteen British Hallows -
http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/arthuriana2z/h.htm#HOB

Given JKR's seemingly deep knowledge of Mythology and
history, it seems she is at least aware of 'Hallows'
in this context. 

> leslie41:
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> What is, then, a "hallow"? All Hallow's Eve means, 
> literally, All Saints Eve. ...
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> All Saints Day started actually as "All Souls Day".  
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> So what we get, in the end, from Rowling's title is: 
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> "Harry Potter and the Deathlike Souls/Saints".
> 
> Which will doubtless make complete sense to us, ..., 
> only once the book comes out.
>

bboyminn:

Keep in mind, I'm not trying to shoot down your 
interpretation; it is a valid as any, but I think you
are drawing your conclusions from a limited set of data.
I'm simply expanding the available data.

As a side note, and one of extremely limited worth, at 
some point in the past either Warner or the Publishers
copyrighted the names-

HP and...

...the Hallows of Hogwarts
...Hogwarts Hallows
(quoted from memory; found in some Leaky Lounge 
discussion)

...though given that these are very old, we can only give
limited weight to them. But they do indicate that JKR has
had the 'Hallows' concept in her mind for a long time, 
and that she did give it a great deal of though.

Given that there is a historical precident in both Ireland
and Britian for 'Hallows' to be venerated, revered and/or
magical objects, I conclude that they could indeed be the 
'Horcruxes'. But, they could also be 'sacred objects' that
are imbued with the power of good, and that will assist 
Harry; the Gryffindor Sword for example, plus objects of
power he will discover but of which we are not currently
aware. Perhaps 'objects of power' from each of the 
founders. In a sense, Harry defeats Voldemort by doing
whata Voldemort failed to do, by gathering objects of
power from each of the founders, and uniting them into
a force for good. This seems to be the nature of 'Hallows'
as objects; that is, that they are objects of magical power.
(Pole of Combat, Sword of Light, etc...)

Further, they could be objects of 'evil', that will come 
into play in the story. They could perhaps be the combined
non-horcrux power of the objects Voldemort has already
gather, but perhaps he does not understand their true 
power.

Again, I'm not trying to discredit your interpretation of
'Deathly Hallows' as saints or souls, simply asking you to
consider that there is reasonable evidence for 'Hallows'
as objects. Either way these persons, places, or things
clearly seem to lean more toward nouns than other 
components of speech. 

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn