DD and Snape /Broken potionvial

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No: HPFGUIDX 163209


> > Alla:
> > 
> > Okay, thanks - well in that case I do place higher confidence ( 
in 
> > the negative sense here of course) than you do in Snape's 
ability to 
> > know what is good for him.
> 
> Pippin:
> In that case we should never see Snape's rages working against him,
> but we do.
> 
> In PoA  for example, he lost control of himself and the situation
> in the Shrieking Shack and again when he was trying to convince 
> Fudge to listen to him about Harry helping Sirius to escape. 
> It certainly can't have helped him to throw Harry out of the 
occlumency
> lessons whether he was doing them to help Dumbledore  or 
> Voldemort. (I think it's significant that both Lupin and Sirius
> object.)
> 
> In GoF he starts out dealing very cooly with Fake!Moody, but
> soon a vein starts jumping in his forehead. How can I make this
> clear -- It's not that he doesn't know what's good for him. 
> He's not stupid, he's just not capable of controlling his feelings 
> to that extent. He can't, even with occlumency, bury his rage 
> against James or his anger when students take foolish chances 
> with the future which Snape is risking everything to make 
> sure they have. It's too close to the surface.
> 

Alla:

LOL, Pippin. How can you make it clear? I understand your opinion of 
Snape clear enough, I think, thanks :) 
Who says that Snape cannot lose it? Of course he can lose it big 
time, but I am still to remember when Snape's rage worked against 
him in a way that truly matters IMO, in a way that made him lose 
something truly significant, like if he is OGH! for example, lose 
what really would matter - like job in Hogwarts.

Sure, thank goodness his rage in PoA did not work for him, but even 
though I would be the last person to say that feeding Sirius to 
dementors would not be a great fun for Snape, how does it matter in 
the big scheme of things, how would it play out on Snape's life? Uh, 
now I am obviously cannot express myself - blame it on being sick, I 
would be happy to clarify tomorrow, when my head feels better.

I believe that Snape rage and him making it pretty good for himself 
coexust quite peacefully.

Like rage against Sirius in PoA did not work, well eventually if we 
believe Snape in Spinner End, he got what he wanted , no? Sirius 
being dead? So, who cares if rage did not work.

So, yeah, I am pretty convinced that no matter how enraged Snape 
would have been, I believe that the desire to stay in Hogwarts would 
have worked pretty well as putting ducktape on his mouth when he 
interacts with Harry.

And yeah, he is enraged with Fake!Moody ( another reason why I love 
that character, no matter how disgusting he is, anybody who can make 
Snape loose control deserves a hug in my book - and yes, I am 
perfectly aware how bad Fake!Moody is of the "human being" of 
the "character", but for that scene  he gets major kudos from me. 
But does it really matter for Snape mission in a major sort of way, 
whatever that mission is?

Oh and Occlumency lessons if he was opening Harry's mind for 
Voldemort for example? I'd say it would work perfectly for Snape, if 
he got all info he needed for Voldemort, why should he continue 
teaching the Potter brat?

Perfectly neat, if you ask me :)

Alla, who is willing to settle on **somebody** make Snape loose it 
in book 7.