[HPforGrownups] Re: JKR's dealing with emotions /Harry's grief over Sirius - realistic or not?

[Karen]

No: HPFGUIDX 147424


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From: susanbones2003
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:54 AM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: JKR's dealing with emotions /Harry's grief over
Sirius - realistic or not?


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lupinlore" <rdoliver30 at y...>
wrote:
>snipped

> > After OOTP you would have found it OOC?  I would have found it
very
> in character at that point.  Nor do I think "moaning and
agonizing"
> would have been in the slightest bit melodramatic or unrealistic,
in
> and of themselves.  ONLY moaning and agonizing would not have been
a
> good way of handling it, just as ONLY "being strong for Sirius'
sake"
> was a terrible way of handling it.
>
> I expected a GREAT deal more complexity and sophistication on
JKR's
> part in dealing with this issue.  I must say I lost 90% of my
respect
> for her as a writer when she came out with that remark about not
> grieving for Sirius' sake.  It seems clear to me that she forced
her
> characters to comply with the demands of her plot schedule, no
matter
> how unrealistic, and frankly silly, those demands were.>

snipped again

I have several other guffaws, but those serve to illustrate.
>
>
> Lupinlore, who is a "he" by the way


Jen:
L,
Given that your problems with how JKR handles a lot of issues, the
question that begs to be answered is: What keeps you reading HP? I
think that would be a far more illuminating discussion since none of
us is going to be able to change the things that are lacking (in
your view!).

kchuplis:
I have to wonder this too. I will go over lupinlore's post more thoroughly,
but  it will take me more time than I have at the moment. To be honest, HP
has the level of sophistication and complexity I expect from IT; not from
some other book. No, honestly, I really am answering the post at length but
it will be this evening before I can. I have to admit though that I was
pretty bowled over at the bitter disappointment Lupinlore is experiencing
for HBP! I feel very badly that he finds it this laughable. Apparently many
of us are just simple enough to be happy with what drivel is handed us. I'm
really sorry Lupinlore. I'm of two minds about going through your post
detail by detail. I want to do it (damn this job anyway) but then again,
given the explosion of anger that courses through this post, I'm not sure I
should spend the time because I don't think anything I or anyone else could
say will make you feel better about it. None of us can convince you that
there are more ways to grieve than you have experienced even though we've
detailed out paralell realistic grief that echos what is found in HBP. I
have to admit, it's hard for me to imagine HP soaking into a grieving mess
over Sirius throughout, because it isn't Harry of Calcutta but Harry of
Britain. And if Harry stayed capslock!Harry I would have felt that your
accusations are warranted because, well, people do shift emotional gears now
and again, particularly when there are big changes and traumas going on.
No, Harry Potter isn't Tolstoy but my goodness, it's not a Harlequin Romance
either.