Some counter-thoughts on ESE!Lupin in HBP

[lucianam73]

No: HPFGUIDX 147564

> Amontillada wrote:
> <snip> Yes, a transformed werewolf can be capable of attacking people
> whom his/her human self would never hurt! Lupin takes Wolfsbane Potion
> in order to avoid that very danger. <snip>
> > 
> > In any case, as we've learned in PoA, it's quite common for other
> wizards to assume that ALL werewolves are dangerous, even though there
> > is now a potion that helps to control this peril. <snip>


>Allie:
(snipped)

> Isn't it VERY unusual that Lupin has *not* mastered the Wolfsbane
> potion?  Okay, even if it's very complicated and requires a lot of
> hard to find ingredients, what else does Lupin have to do?  He  
> barely
> works because of his condition.  The Order didn't re-form until
> recently.  Seems to me like he might have had some spare time on his
> hands.  I would think that he would make learning to brew Wolfsbane
> his primary goal.  

lucianam:

It's a good idea, I think, that Tonks could be worried about the
Minister blaming Lupin for what other werewolf did (Amontillada). As I
said in my first message, all the points I suggested could probably
have innocent explanations. But the point is (at least my point is)
there are some pretty nasty explanations, too. 

No canon proof, but good foundations if JKR is setting up ESE!Lupin.

And I agree with Allie that it's strange Lupin never learned to make
Wolfsbane. Well maybe he'd have to be top-class, as good as Snape, but
still... *shrugs* It looks as he doesn't try too hard.

Carol:

> Re Tonks:
(much snipped)
> 
> So while I don't think that the Tonks/Lupin subplot is particularly
> well-handled, I don't think there's any unsolved mystery attached to
> it. (To be frank, I think the subplot is just a set-up to show that
> Patronuses can change and perhaps a variation on the theme of
> obsessive love having detrimental effects, also demonstrated through
> Merope and earlier through Barty Jr.'s mother's love for her son.)
> 
 
lucianam:

Frankly I don't think the 'Patronuses can change after great emotional
shock' is canon. Who tells us that? Lupin, who is under suspicion of
ESE!ness. And boy does he take his time to chew his turkey before he
mumbles that answer.

Snape also gives us some words on her Patronus. He tells Tonks he 'was
interested to see her new Patronus.' He also says, with malice in his
voice, 'I think you were better off with the old one, the new one
looks weak.'

And that's all, there's no confirmation that someone's Patronus can
really change. Maybe it can't. People have a lot of different ideas
about Tonks, well, suppose she really is someone else pretending to be
her and that's why the Patronus is different, and Snape knows it. He
lets her know he knows, with a great deal of malice. 'I'm on your
secret, I know you're not Tonks,' is perhaps what he means by that
little confrontation.

Or maybe a person's Patronus CAN change, but not because of emotional
shock. There could be other reason Lupin didn't tell Harry.

And what animal is her Patronus, anyway? Is it really Moony? Not canon
confirmed, at least not for those readers who suspect Remus/Tonks is a
red herring and not a real relationship.

Maybe there is such a thing as too many red herrings, but I bet we're
still missing a few.

lucianam