Snape's DADA lesson WAS: Re: CHAPDISC: HBP9, The Half-Blood Prince

[juli17 at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 147768

Alla wrote:
Harry's VERBAL spell was faster and more effective that Snape's  
NONVERBAL one, IMO. Should Harry be praised for that? IMO yes, at 
least  something like -" that was effective, but now go back to try 
doing it  nonverbally."  
 
Julie:
And you would expect SNAPE to do this? Even a DDM!Snape,  whose
goal is to pound knowledge into Harry whether he likes it or not (and 
enjoy every minute of that pounding, of course!) isn't going to  praise
Harry for doing a spell the wrong way, even if he did it well. He's  not
that type of teacher, nor is McGonagall. That would be more likely 
from Dumbledore or Lupin.
 

Alla wrote:
In any event though, I acknowledged in my earlier post  that 
Potioncat's argument is supported by that piece of canon and mine is  
just based on Snape's previous actions.

It is just based on Snape's  despicable treatment of Harry throughout 
the books (IMO of course), I have a  very hard time believing that 
Snape would take it graciously to Harry out  beating him.

If that was any other teacher, I would have no problem  believing that 
this detention was given to Harry for talking back to Snape.  If I met 
Snape for the first time during that lesson, I would have no  problem 
believing that detention was given to Harry solely for talking back  
to Snape.

But based on what I know about Snape, I don't believe it. I  mean 
surely talking back played a part in it, but I do think that the fact  
that Harry knocked him down played a part in it.

I speculate that  Snape wanted Harry to talk back to him. I mean, 
really, what exactly was  wrong with Harry's first answer to Snape 
question?

Harry just answers  "yes", that is all. Okay, he answers stiffly, but 
I will be hard pressed to  find ANY disrespect here.

Does Snape really has to insist in EVERY  sentence for Harry to call 
him Sir? I am still looking for ANY other  Hogwarts teacher doing the 
same thing. I am trying to say that I would not  put it past Snape to 
provoke Harry into that kind of answer. As I said - am  just 
speculating here, nothing more, but based on how I see Snape I think  
I have some reason for my speculations.
 
Julie:
In fact Snape does insist at every answer to a question that his
students use "sir" or "Professor." And I'm suspecting Dumbledore
is right with him there (as Dumbledore is very strong on showing
respect to teachers, hence his continual admonishments to Harry
to say "Professor" in front of Snape's name). So that's no surprise.
I do agree Snape's not exactly against "baiting" Harry, though I 
doubt he sees it as baiting, but as forcing a belligerent student to 
show respect, whether said student likes it or not. After all, from 
Snape's POV, all Harry has to do is mutter "sir" and it's  done. From
Harry's POV, even that is too much for a man he now hates. 
 
I also interpret this scene based on canon Snape, and canon Snape
loathes, and I mean truly *LOATHES* disrespect. He doesn't loathe 
competence, even from Harry. During Occlumency he actually gave 
Harry a gruding compliment when Harry forced his way into Snape's
mind. It's not even a close call for me whether Snape would blow
up at being physically discomforted by a well-performed spell or at
being addressed with disrespect. The latter, any and every day of 
the week, is what pushes his buttons. 


Alla:
I think I have even more reason for my speculation that Harry  
overpowering Snape played a part in assigning him detention, when I 
read  about what type of detention was assigned. Absolutely, teacher 
has a right  to assign ANY kind of detention, but to specifically give 
the task that will  give an extra pain and humiliation, it is a 
typical Snape IMO, who wants to  pay Harry back.


Julie:
I agree Snape wants to pay Harry back, for his show of  disrespect. 
Did I mention there's nothing Snape LOATHES more than being 
disrespected? ;-) 
 
Alla:
Again, let me stress that my argument is mainly based on Snape's  
previous behavior towards Harry.


Julie:
Mine too. Knock me over/invade my mind with a well-performed 
spell=minor irritation and perhaps even a grudging compliment.
Disrespect me=your ass is mine (i.e., Detention!). It's Snape to
T, from PS/SS to HBP. He's consistent if nothing else ;-)
 
Julie 





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