Teaching Styles LONG

[irene_mikhlin]

No: HPFGUIDX 147849

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"  wrote:
  
> > > Alla:
> > > 
> > > Oh, I am not asking that at all. How about proving that Snape 
IS 
> a 
> > > good teacher, if you wish of course, I understand if you don't.
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Oh, but I have no problem agreeing with you that Snape maybe a 
good 
> teacher for SOME. Its "Snape is a good teacher for many" I have 
> problem with. 

Someone else was very sarcastic in this thread about the constantly 
moving goal posts. I thought it was too much at the time, but now I 
start to see the point.

> 
> Irene:
> No one wanted NEWTs class 
> > with Hagrid (including Harry, which is quite hypocritical of 
him).
> 
> Alla:
> 
> What Juli said :-)

OK, I'll answer it here. I don't have a problem with "He likes 
Hagrid as a person, not as a teacher" approach. But less than a year 
ago he was shouting at Hermione for daring to say more or less the 
same thing, and bullied her into taking it back.

> 
> Irene:
> > But the deeds speak louder than the words! :-) Hermione was 
going 
> to 
> > take another two years of Snape.
> Alla:
> She is you know... Hermione. :-)

I see, so it does not count. How can I prove "good teacher for many" 
if every individual example does not count in one way or the other?
Hermione is after knowledge, first and foremost, I hope we can agree 
about that. If Snape's lessons did not bring her any added value, 
beyond what she can get from books, why did she sign up for two more 
years of abuse (if we take your point of view) or even harsh and 
sarcastic treatment (if we take mine).

> Alla earlier:
> > > IMO the purpose of the nonverbal spells exercise was DUAL - to 
> learn 
> > > how to do nonverbal spells and to overpower your opponent. 
Harry 
> did 
> > > not do the first part, but he did the second one perfectly.

I still can't believe  you argue this seriously and not just to wind 
me up, Dynamo Kiev or not. :-)

In the court room example you were arguing elsewhere - you can ask 
different questions from what your teachers were expecting and 
that's fine. The same would be true for Harry if instead of 
producing non-verbal Shield charm he would do another *non-verbal* 
defensive spell. Instead, in your analogy, he hooked the witness to 
the lie detector.

Really, teaching environment is quite similar to sport and games. It 
has silly rules. To go into an area I'm more familiar with, when you 
learn programming, you get tasks with a very specific limitations: 
it has to implement *this* algoritm in *that* language. Even if I 
implement a faster algoritm in a more suitable language, I'd still 
fail my assignment, and rightly so.


> Betsy:
> > However, if we accept that Hufflepuffs are not total duffers, 
the 
> > fact that Ernie Macmillan says of Snape's first DADA 
class, "Good 
> > lesson, I thought," (HBP scholastic p.182) should fit the bill.  
> > (Only, of course it won't <g>.)
> 
> Alla:
> 
> If we disregard the fact that I was talking about Snape as a 
potions 
> teacher, not as DADA teacher, then Okay you got me here - Snape is 
a 
> good teacher for Ernie Macmillan. Huge accomplishment that. :-)

Back to my point - it's impossible to demonstrate what you want, 
because we can't go to Hogwarts and interview all the students to 
prove a majority opinion. And using the technique above, individual 
examples can always be dismissed.

Irene