Teaching Styles LONG/ small response to Potioncat

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 147859

> > Alla:
> > 
> > Oh, but I have no problem agreeing with you that Snape maybe a 
> good 
> > teacher for SOME. Its "Snape is a good teacher for many" I have 
> > problem with. 

Irene: 
> Someone else was very sarcastic in this thread about the constantly 
> moving goal posts. I thought it was too much at the time, but now I 
> start to see the point.

Alla:

I am going to try and clarify myself one more time. If after that you 
still think that I am moving the standards, raising the bar higher 
every time, etc, there is really nothing I can do about it. :-)

I went upthread and reread my initial post and I see what you are 
saying in terms I phrased the question. I should have asked about 
proving that Snape is the good teacher for majority of the students 
and that is ( please believe me when I say it) what I was thinking 
about, because I was thinking about Shaun's argument that Snape is a  
good teacher for majority. That's all I can say on this point. 
Whether you believe me or not, it is certainly up to you. :-)

I have absolutely no problem believing that Snape is a good teacher 
for SOME students, moreover I have absolutely NO problem believing 
that Snape KNOWS his subjects both DADA and Potions. What I DO have 
huge problem believing that Snape wants and/or knows how to teach his 
subjects to the majority of the students. But the most important 
thing I think Snape has no clue how to do is how to treat the 
students he teachers fairly and unbiased. 

So, as I said I see what you are saying in terms I phrased  the 
question, but not in terms of other examples. ESPECIALLY about 
Hermione, but more about it later on.
Irene:
> OK, I'll answer it here. I don't have a problem with "He likes 
> Hagrid as a person, not as a teacher" approach. But less than a 
year 
> ago he was shouting at Hermione for daring to say more or less the 
> same thing, and bullied her into taking it back.

Alla:

Oh, Okay I understand it then.
 
> > 
> > Irene:
> > > But the deeds speak louder than the words! :-) Hermione was 
> going 
> > to 
> > > take another two years of Snape.
> > Alla:
> > She is you know... Hermione. :-)

Irene: 
> I see, so it does not count. How can I prove "good teacher for 
many" 
> if every individual example does not count in one-way or the other?
> Hermione is after knowledge, first and foremost, I hope we can 
agree 
> about that. If Snape's lessons did not bring her any added value, 
> beyond what she can get from books, why did she sign up for two 
more 
> years of abuse (if we take your point of view) or even harsh and 
> sarcastic treatment (if we take mine).

Alla:

Right,Hermione. I have NEVER taken an approach that Hermione's 
judgments are always right, EVER. I think HBP showed us perfectly how 
completely idiotic Hermione can act when she kept dismissing Harry's 
concerns about Draco all the time and when her jealousy about Ron and 
Lavender was acting out.

She IS after knowledge absolutely and she is learning from everybody, 
IMO, who in her mind has knowledge to give her. I really liked 
Finwitch argument that Hermione had no mindset for Divination and 
therefore was not able to like it. And as I said above, I do not 
doubt that Snape is a knowledgeable man at all. I doubt his value as 
a teacher, but he certainly knows his subjects.

Besides, I cannot make up my mind whether Snape abuses Hermione or 
not. IMO he certainly mistreats her, but his mistreatment does not 
arise to the level of what he does to Neville and Harry. So, maybe 
Hermione decided that she could handle Snape's harshness, which knows.


 > > Alla:
> > 
> > If we disregard the fact that I was talking about Snape as a 
> potions 
> > teacher, not as DADA teacher, then Okay you got me here - Snape 
is 
> a 
> > good teacher for Ernie Macmillan. Huge accomplishment that. :-)

Irene: 
> Back to my point - it's impossible to demonstrate what you want, 
> because we can't go to Hogwarts and interview all the students to 
> prove a majority opinion. And using the technique above, individual 
> examples can always be dismissed.

Alla:

But I was absolutely serious when I was saying that I was talking 
about Snape as Potions instructor, I cannot form the judgment about 
Snape as DADA instructor yet, I don't have enough information on 
that, SO Snape can be a good teacher in DADA for the majority of the 
students for all I know. I mean, I had seen enough proof that he is 
not a good teacher to Harry in DADA either, but not to everybody else 
who is not in Gryffindor house.

But is it really fair to base the assessment of Snape on Ernie 
McMillan words, if we did not see how Snape interacted with him?

I mean, really, I can also argue and did argue in the past that what 
Snape does to Harry and Neville are meant to show us the samples of 
how Snape treats all Gryffyndors - unfairly, biased, etc. Would not 
you respond that individual examples should be dismissed in this 
situation?

And I am not even dismissing it, I completely agree that Snape can be 
a good teacher for Ernie McMillan.

I want to address something else here, even though I really should 
have addressed in another post, but it relates to DADA lesson, so 
here it goes.

Potioncat ( I think) made a brilliant point that Snape does not 
really use Unforgivables in his DADA lesson, instead he just shows 
pictures, contrary to what Fake!Moody did and that he claimed about 
learning unforgivables.

If Potioncat reads this post, I just want to acknowledge that I find 
it a very good possible proof for the DD!M Snape who does not really 
have much fun of showing off Unforgivables. ( But I hope not, LOL!)

JMO,
Alla