James and Lily defying Voldemort

[hpfan_mom]

No: HPFGUIDX 147943


> > CH3ed:
> > >> At the end of OotP Harry had escaped LV alive 4 times 
> > against LV's will;
> > 1. in PS/SS from the dungeon
> > 2. in CoS from the Chamber of Secrets (with Tom Riddle)
> > 3. in GoF from the graveyard scene
> > 4. in OotP from the fight at the MoM <<
> > 
> > 
> > Actually 5 times if you also consider his escape as a baby when 
> > the AK curse failed to kill him....
> >   Cat
> 
> Geoff:
> <snip>
> 
> The 'four times' comes from canon:
> "<snip> He saw 
> himself in you before he had ever seen you and in marking you with 
> that scar, he did not kill you, as he intended, but gave you powers 
> and a future which have fitted you to escape him not once, but four 
> times so far - something that neither your parents,nor Neville's 
> parents, ever achieved."
> (OOTP "The Lost Prophecy" p.742 UK edition)

hpfan_mom:

Based on the precise wording of Dumbledore's quotation, I think it's
got to be Godric's Hollow that doesn't fit.  DD says "in marking you
with that scar" he "gave you powers . . . which have fitted you to
escape him . . . four times so far".

GH happened, Harry was marked, THEN he had powers and escaped 4 times.
 That's how I read it, anyway.

Here's a question - DD says that the prophecy could have applied to
either Harry or Neville, "both sets of parents having narrowly escaped
Voldemort three times."  (OOTP p.842 US edition)  But didn't James and
Lily "defy" LV at GH?  Was that their *fourth* time?  Or had they
actually only defied him twice before (despite what DD said above) and
by appearing at GH he forced them to come into compliance with the
prophecy?

hpfan_mom