Ollivander / Fortescue / Krum's Crucio / Horcrux / Bk7 Opening

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No: HPFGUIDX 148258

exodusts  wrote: <snip and edited> 
" Are you saying the good guys can't fake a Dark Mark? 
And how do we know that there was no Dark Mark when 
Regulus "died"? 
DD could have arranged other "deaths". It is clear that DD could 
have come up with some kind of fake death if needed. The fact that 
he didn't suggests that Ollivander is not under his protection, but 
is out on his own somewhere."


CH3ed:
I think the good guys could have faked the dark mark, maybe (very 
iffy.... Arthur said in GoF that only the DEs knew how to cast that 
spell)... and quite risky, there may be a requirement of being 
branded by a dark mark scar in order to cast a perfect dark mark, 
and the fake ones would be not exactly the same (maybe). 

But I actually said that 'the good guys wouldn't have thought 
Regulus was killed by the DEs or LV had there been no dark mark 
hovering over his body'. So I mean there must have been a dark mark 
over him, or Sirius and others wouldn't have attributed his death to 
the DEs. 

Yep, I agree that DD could have arranged it so that he faked 
Ollivander's death by accident or other causes from the DEs, but I 
don't think we know enough to conclusively say that because that 
didn't happen then DD must not have had anything to do with Mr. 
Ollivander's disappearance. 

The offer DD made to Draco on the top of the tower was specific to 
Draco and could have been pulled off in context. It would have been 
entirely plausible and likely that Draco would have been killed in a 
face to face duel with DD. Even LV would believe it. In fact LV 
expected it. With Ollivander the circumstance is quite different. I 
was surprised that nothing happened to him right after GoF. He was 
in business as usual through out OotP (long after LV had that priori 
incantatem experience with Harry), so that he sold a replacement 
wand to Neville after the battle at the MoM. So there was plenty of 
time for Ollivander with or without the help of DD to plan his own 
disappearance. I'm curious to see how it all turns out in Book 7.


Exodusts wrote: <snip>
" I prefer the Fortescue-Portrait connection. Voldemort has been in 
DD's office - see HBP - and later realised that the ice cream seller 
in Diagon Alley was the descendant of the portly wizard in the 
portrait above DD's desk. Consequently, he captured Florian and got 
word to the portrait, via other portraits in Florian's house, that 
unless it starts passing information on what goes on in DD's office, 
the relative will suffer gruesome torments."


CH3ed:
I like this scenario. That would force ex-Headmaster Fortescue to 
breach his loyalty to the current Headmaster, tho. In OotP we heard 
one of the portraits (don't have the books with me, but it could 
have been Fortescue himself) say that they are bound by honor to 
serve the current headmaster. So I don't know if there is a magical 
contract there or is it really an honor thing. I imagine the 
portrait Fortescue could have told DD the whole scenario and trusted 
DD to come up with a solution.


CV wrote:
" If Voldy was going to make his 6th and final horcrux with the 
killing of Harry, and that failed, then there should be two Voldy 
bits floating around, no? The bit that didn't become the horcrux and 
the one he intended to keep in his body. I'm thinking that now that 
he is corporeal again, he could have made horcruxes to replace the 
lost ones, if he knows they are lost. But in his first pass, I'm 
thinking there must have been one less horcrux than Dumbledore 
thinks. Does anyone agree?"


CH3ed:
Nah. I think DD is right. Besides, LV already killed 2 people at GH 
that night before he turned his wand on Harry (James and Lily were 
murdered by LV too). LV had killed way more people than the number 
of Horcruxes he wants. I think 7 may turn out to be the limit of the 
number of time one's soul can be divided. Murdering is so bad that 
after 7 intentional murders one is pretty much as bad as a person 
can get. Also, I don't think soul pieces can just float off from the 
main soul without being forcibly detached by the Horcrux making 
spell (I don't buy the Harry is a Horcrux theory at all). As far as 
I've read, DD's count makes the most sense.

CH3ed :O)