Young Dumbledore (wasRe: Why Leave Harry at HW at the End of HBP?)

[susanbones2003]

No: HPFGUIDX 148382

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
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>Carol wrote:

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> Dumbledore tells Harry about the importance of keeping his soul 
whole
> and pure, and the earnestness of this speech suggests that his own 
is
> equally whole and pure. (I'm worried that Harry's is getting 
slightly
> tarnished, but I won't go into that.) 

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> Carol, wondering if only good witches and wizards get put on 
chocolate
> frogs and why Circe has one if that's the case

Jen D.inquires:
Carol! This thought you have in parentheses is exactly what just 
crossed my mind as I am listening to Harry watch LV charm info out 
of Slughorn. Harry had some very uncomfortable thoughts! Let me 
quote:

"It was very well done, thought Harry, the hesitancy, the casual 
tone, the careful flattery, none of it overdone. He, Harry had had 
too much experience trying to wheedle information out of reluctant 
people not to recognize a master at work." p. 496-7 Scholastic Ed.

That passage hit me like a ton of bricks. I started wracking my 
memory. When did Harry wheedle information out of people? This 
suggests that he's been a calculating, manipulating little sneak 
thief or something and I can not for the life of me think when! Just 
slap me and tell me to read the books again if it's so obvious but I 
am at a loss and will keep awake thinking (and finally reading) 
unless someone can enlighten me. Okay, he couldn't be honest with 
Umbridge (despite her punishment) and he never played false to 
either Fudge on Scrimgeour that I can remember.He tried his best to 
be numb around Aunt Marge but he never wheedled anything out of her. 
He did lie quite often to DD (about things that were bothering him) 
but it was never a wheedling, conniving thing. How did Harry get 
experience that would allow him to identify with LV? I think we may 
have our test of the hero emerging for this is not the only instance 
in which Harry identifies with the Dark Lord. He also feels the same 
way about Hogwarts (Hogwarts, dear Hogwarts) that LV does. But truly 
am I missing a conman Harry that is out there?
Jen D. scratching her head and muttering over her bowl of porridge...


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