Small choice in rotten apples

[Ceridwen]

No: HPFGUIDX 148384

dungrollin:
> It goes back to Annemehr's theory about why Horlicks is so bad. She 
> had the idea that the ripping of the soul caused by killing can be 
> healed (repentance, forgiveness etc), and the reason that splitting 
> the soul up is against nature is that it is deliberately putting 
> oneself beyond redemption, deliberately not allowing the soul to be 
> healed. It's so elegant it *has* to be right - and if it's not, it 
> should be.

Ceridwen:
I agree that this is an elegant theory.  I liked it the first time 
out, but the list elves frown on solely 'I agree' posts.  I hate it 
when there's nothing to add but *fanbowz*.

dungrollin:
> I won't repeat all the evidence for Horcrux!Harry, except to say 
> that I don't know what else could have happened at Godric's Hollow 
> to tie up so many loose ends. Basically, this theory relies on 
> Horcrux!Harry, as well as Anne's theory, ok?
> 
> So this is it:
> I reckon the bit of Voldy's soul that ended up in Harry, has been 
> knitting with Harry's soul in the kind of healing process that 
> Anne's theory would predict. Harry's soul has incorporated the 
Voldy 
> fragment. Harry doesn't have to *die* to get rid of the last 
> Horcrux, he has to *kill*.

Ceridwen:
I don't believe in Horcrux!Harry.  The gyrations necessary to create 
a true Horcrux would be, if we go by the one other similar spell in 
canon, too intricate and formalized to have been able to occur at the 
time of Vaporization.  I am not discounting the possibility of 
something similar but not the same in the Potterverse, though.  *IF* 
there is a bit of Voldysoul in Harry, it got there by accident, 
released from the main soul when the AK backfired.

LV murdered.  No way around that, murder is the only thing we know of 
that can split a soul.  A split soul is the only way a bit of 
Voldysoul could have gotten into anything, accidentally or 
purposely.  We know that LV murdered immediately before the failed 
AK.  He murdered Lily.  I'm not sure that James's death would be 
murder, as they were fighting together and the rules of combat might 
come into play.

But, there was at least one freshly-torn soul bit in LV at the time, 
and his soul was violently torn from his body.  It's possible that 
the soul piece could have been just as violently seperated from the 
core soul at the same time and gone into the nearest living body.

The point of a Horcrux is to leave a bit of soul around in case the 
wizard needs it.  I've speculated before that Horcruxes were 
discovered by an accidental Horcrux having been made at some point in 
the distant past.  Evil Pre-Historic Overlord was blown away, but 
somehow found that he still lived, and found out why.  Or, 
something.  If that is true, then a formal ceremony would only mean a 
certainty that the soul piece was confined.  There would be another, 
much rarer (due to the unusual circumstances), way to have a soul bit 
left behind.  It would be a very arcane and perhaps even a one-time 
historical thing, but the entire series revolves around ancient magic 
and a once-in-a-lifetime event, Harry surviving the AK.

So, I would buy the elegant theory, not for a formal Horcrux, but for 
an accidental 'horcrux'ed Harry.  Wonderful idea!  And so simple.

dungrollin:
> And I'll bet Snape refuses to teach him how. 

Ceridwen:
If he's DDM he will.  With teeth gritted, as if fending off unseen 
dental instruments ('like pulling teeth' - maybe the Grangers will be 
lurking around for just that purpose? ;) )  If he's OFH he will, 
too.  The only Snape who wouldn't, I believe, would be an 
unredeemable ESE.

dungrollin:
> I have another, wilder speculation (which might explain a whole lot 
> more) to put on top of this, but I'm not quite sure whether it's 
> workable yet.
> 
> Dung
> Begging all to note that kill or be killed was, coincidentally, the 
> very choice presented to Snape in HBP.

Ceridwen:
I do believe that.  I also believe that there was a lot more to the 
AK on the tower than just what we saw.  I have my own speculations 
about what possibilities there may have been with that, but I haven't 
really tried to work them out.  Good luck with your speculation, 
though!

Ceridwen, who can't resist any idea that uses the word 'elegant'.