Is Snape good or evil? (long)

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> > Alla:
> > 
> > I don't think it equals 
> > in any way shape or form Snape acknowledging he was wrong in 
PoA. 
> > But that is JMO of course. 
> 
> zgirnius: How he treated Sirius in public is one thing. But do you 
> really think the way he treats Peter is just due to some personal 
> animosity? I personally figured he transferred all of his Potter-
> related hatred of Sirius to Peter after realizing his mistake.

Alla:

Hmmm. That is an interesting possibility. You always suggest  
interesting possibilities, Zara. :) I have to think about it and get 
back to you later. :-)

 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Absolutely, as I said above, he should not have taken UV AT ALL, 
> IMO 
> > of course. He should have told Narcissa that she is NOT supposed 
to 
> > divulge Dark Lord confidence and threw them both out and Bella 
> could 
> > have been even happy with it, IMO. But again, I am not sure that 
> > meeting was instigated by Voldy.
> 
> zgirnius:
> But why not? What is wrong with Vowing to protect Draco, if in 
> exchange you hope to get the inside dope on his plans to kill 
> Dumbledore? I'm not saying your solution is wrong, mind you. It 
> isn't, it works just fine. (Though it no more solves Snape's long-
> term problem, that Voldemort wants him to kill Dumbledore). I'm 
> simply trying to understand why you think Snape's was, based on 
what 
> he knew then.

Alla:

You are proceeding on the Dungrollin assumption that Snape knew 
about the task, right? Then I see so MANY things that are wrong with 
agreeing to take UV to protect Draco. First one is what I said in my 
earlier post - to me it strikes VERY close to being an accessory to 
the murder. Snape does NOT just takes UV to protect Draco. He takes 
UV to protect and help him while Draco tries to carry out the 
assasination of the Headmaster. Yep, I think it is wrong on many 
levels. Don't get me wrong, I can totally see Snape agreeing to 
protect a child whose family he loves or likes and had been for a 
long time instead of protecting someone whom he has little or no 
personal affection for ( paraphrasing Nora here) such as that "old 
fool Dumbledore",even if such child is happy to become a murderer 
and that "old fool Dumbledore" saved Snape from Azkaban, but this 
scenario does not really describe DD!M Snape, does it?

And it is funny, in this thread I had not even touched evil Snape or 
coward Snape, I am only trying to figure out how stupid or self-
serving he could be. (Sorry, Dung, I am not shy about calling Snape 
names, which I think he deserves :-))

Now, if Snape does not know Draco's task and loyal to Dumbledore, 
then sure I can see him taking UV to protect Draco while hoping to 
learn what Draco task really is. I could not wrap my mind even 
around this possibility few months ago, but I finally hypnotised 
myself into seeing it. :). I still think it is incredibly stupid, 
but at least I can see it.

> > Alla:
> > What would I think Dumbledore could have done if this situation 
> > played out as you described? Probably suggesting trying to fool 
the 
> > UV, since there is no definite time frame in the UV itself.
> > 
> zgirnius:
> Precisely.
>

Alla:

Just to be clear - by fooling the UV I was suggesting that 
Dumbledore would tell Snape to try and keep postponing the task 
indefinitely, NOT meticulously planning his death all year.

But I came to realise that even more precise answer to Dung's 
question exists and it would be IMO VERY IC for Dumbledore.

I think Dumbledore would have done NOTHING, just sort of letting 
events to play out and hoping for the best.

But hey, I am really opposed to Puppetmaster!Dumbledore, so my 
opinion may not count for much.

JMO,

Alla