Parents / Peeves / Memory Charms / DD descendents / OneLiners/ Snape/ Abuse

Sun Jan 1 02:08:10 UTC 2006

No: HPFGUIDX 145678

Pippin wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145480 :

<< the realization that the parent who goes to war does so knowing
that he risks dying in battle, leaving his children alone. Molly
acknowledges this in OOP, IIRC, and Lupin assures her the Order won't
let her children starve. Well, the Order didn't let Harry starve,
exactly, but Molly has a right to be concerned considering what did
happen to him. But she didn't give up the fight, even after Arthur was
nearly killed. I don't think James and Lily would have either, even if
they knew that Harry was going to wind up with the Dursleys instead of
Sirius. >>

But they WOULD have made an effort to arrange a second-choice and
third-choice guardian for Harry in case something happened to Sirius
as well as to them.

DB asked 
in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145582 :

<< why does Dumbledore allow Peeves to stay at Hogwarts? >>

http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2005/0705-tlc_mugglenet-anelli-2.htm
says:

<< 
ES: Why does Dumbledore allow Peeves to stay in the castle?
JKR: Can't get him out.
ES: He's Dumbledore, he can do anything!
JKR: No, no no no no. Peeves is like dry rot. You can try and
eradicate it. It comes with the building. You're stuck. If you've got
Peeves you're stuck.
ES: But Peeves answers to Dumbledore -
JKR: Allegedly.
MA: Allegedly?
JKR: Yeah. I see Peeves as like a severe plumbing problem in a very
old building, and Dumbledore is slightly better with the spanner than
most people, so he can maybe make it function better for a few weeks.
Then it's going to start leaking again.
>>

Simon wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145596 :

<< Tom Riddle breaks a memory charm in between PoA and GoF, Bertha I
think her name is. So I believe that Lockhart will get his memory back. >>

The means that Voldie used to break the Memory Charm on Bertha "were
powerful, and when [he] had extracted all useful information from her,
her mind and body were both damaged beyond repair." Some listies think
that means that Memory Charms are broken by torture in general or
Cruciatis Curse in particular, but I think it means that there are
spells or potions for breaking Memory Charms, but they have side
effects that would result in Lockhart NOT being released from St Mungo's.

Jen sig'ged in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145610 :

<< keeping up her lonely campaign for the Dumbledore brothers to be
descended from GG. >>

My own desire is for Lily to be the great- or great-great grand-
daughter of Dumbledore and his hypothetical late Muggle first wife.
(Lily and I were born in 1950-something. My mother was born in
1920-something. Her mother, my grandma, was born in 1890-something.
Her mother, my great-grandmother, died before I was born, and the
pattern suggests she was born in 1860-something. Dumble, being 150
years old in the 1990s, was born in the 1840s and therefore old 
enough to be a daddy in the 1860s.)

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zeldaricdeau wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145629 :

<< looking back, I think Snape using a logic puzzle as his task was a
clue. As Hermione says, most wizards aren't very adept at logic. But
maybe a half-blooded wizard with ties to the muggle world would be? >>

But many Muggles, including me, are terrible at logic.

Geoff wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145485 :

<< More likely a film version of "the Four Loves" >>

LOL at the disappointment of moviegoers who expect it to be a soap
opera about choosing whom to marry and whether to be faithful.

KathyO wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145509 :

<< This has been an exciting ride, each book giving us a bit more
insight into the puzzle...but it's a puzzle we've been working on 
for years. Once you've completed the puzzle...what do you do then?
Ouch! >>

This is a forbidden "I agree!" post.

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Lupinlore wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145483 :

<< By the same token, I think we should remember that, as far as we
know, [DUmbledore] has never revealed to Snape about the prophecy. >>

Because Snape heard the Prophecy at the same time that Dumbledore did.

Claudia wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145484 ;

<< when a Marauder (or anything concerning them) comes up he simply
boils over, something he could never ever afford to let happen around
Voldemort or his followers. >>

Obsessive overwhelming hatred and resentment of some Order of the
Phoenix members has got to be the SAFEST weakness to show around
Voldemort and the Death Eaters -- some of them probably show the same!

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La Gatta Lucianese meowed in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145627 :

<< never was I throwing-up afraid of one of my teachers. I often was
of my mother. >>

But there ARE cases of children who are throwing-up afraid of a nasty
teacher. 

Miles wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145584 :

<< Another necessity for abuse is that they cause or could cause
serious behavioural, cognitive, emotional, or mental disorders. We
never saw any student of Snape's classes that suffers from any of this. >>

To me, saying that x DID not happen is not the same as saying that 
x COULD NOT have happened.

Alla wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145593 :

<< I am just arguing against the idea that people who DO see Snape as
abuser somehow make "outlandish" arguments. >>

I agree. Any notion that so MANY people come up with independently
cannot be OUTLANDISH.
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