"Stand aside, girl" and the End

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No: HPFGUIDX 145727

Jen Reese wrote:
>
> My thoughts keep drifting to Godric's Hollow and I'm wondering 
again 
> why Voldemort gave Lily the chance to stand aside. Now that JKR 
has 
> given us a better picture of the way Voldemort thinks and his 
> particular obsessions and patterns, the idea that Voldemort would 
save 
> Lily because Snape (or anyone) asked him to doesn't fit for me.

Alla:

Lovely post, Jen and even though I think that this idea of somebody 
( Snape or Peter) asking Voldemort to spare Lily is possible, I 
certainly think that what you are saying is possible too ( it could 
even be both IMO), but I need a clarification on something. Keep 
reading :-)


Jen Reese:
> The second most common suggestion is that Voldemort thought Lily 
too 
> silly to bother with since his laser focus was on killing James 
and 
> Harry. 

Alla:

Yes, on this one I am with you. I don't buy it at all.




Jen Reese:
> JKR said there were places Harry needed to go in Book 5 in order 
> to 'play fair for the reader in the resolution of Book 7'. So the 
> Department of Mysteries will be important again. <snip> His 
greatest fear is death, 
> and Dumbledore is the only person he feared probably in part 
because 
> he was unafraid to die, so it's fitting Voldemort might find Lily 
> worrisome if she actually studied death rather than feared it. I 
also 
> think the locked room is a possibility too, perhaps Lily studied 
both, 
> but since Voldemort fears death and underestimates love it seems 
more 
> likely Lily working in the Veil room would give him pause.

Alla:

Right, so here are my questions. First of all, how did Voldemort 
find out that Lily worked in the Veil room or Love room, if she 
indeed did? Just asking for your speculations, of course. Snape or 
Peter or something else?

Why would Voldemort find Lily studying death worrisome? Because he 
may think that she is ahead of him in his immortality quest or 
something like that and him killing her will not work? I am still 
not sure why he would not try though? He certainly tries to kill 
Dumbledore in the battle of MoM, no? I mean, I understand Voldemort 
finding Lily to be a powerful and worthy opponent, but if we are to 
believe Voldemort when he brags to his DE during Graveyard, didn't 
he figure out that Lily invoked ancient magic which he 
underestimated only after the fact? I mean, I am not saying at all 
that we have to believe Voldemort, because he is certainly proven to 
be a liar( even per JKR interviews), but just in case he was telling 
the truth?

I don't know it just does not make sense to me that even if 
Voldemort WAS afraid of Lily or whatever she was studying of a great 
deal that he would not TRY to kill her. IMO of course. Questions, 
questions.

Come to think of it, how do you think Voldemort came to know AT ALL 
about what happened as result of Lily sacrifice and whatever magic 
Dumbledore involved to protect Harry? It is not like Dumbledore gave 
him a detailed report, right? :-) I think I am missing something 
obvious here again. Sorry, I think I started rambling.


Jen Reese:

 Even though Harry possesses great quantities of love, he 
> underestimates its power just as Voldemort does. Since Harry found 
the 
> courage of James inside himself in POA, he will likely come to 
terms 
> with Lily's love and discover that power inside himself as well.

Alla:

Yes, it think it is very likely.


Jen Reese:
 And 
> hoo boy, will he need it! Voldemort will definitely be using 
Harry's 
> hatred of Snape to tempt him in Book 7 in my opinion, and 
Dumbledore 
> tried mightily to tell him his love will be his only protection 
> against the lure of Voldemort's power. Luckily we can count on 
Harry 
> figuring this out in time to save himself from the temptation to 
kill 
> Snape and get on with the business of Voldemort.

Alla:

I think on that we differ a gret deal or maybe I am wrong and I 
misunderstood you. I think that if JKR wanted to play the temptation 
theme for Harry, book 6 was a perfect place to do so AND I believe 
that the book belonging to Half Blood prince WAS the temptation in 
front of Harry, which he sort of fallen for, IMO. And it does not 
seem to me that any grand scale temptation will occur in book 7, IMO 
of course. I think at the end of book 6, Harry established himself 
as Dumbledore man through and through and for him there is no going 
back. ( I would prefer Harry establishing himself as his own man 
through and through at the end of book 7, by the way :-))I don't 
think that he will fall for any of his Lordship tricks, he will be 
too focused for that.

Now, I agree with you that he will discover power of Love in himself 
fully and his forgiveness of Snape will somehow play into it, but I 
doubt that it will be connected with Voldemort tempting Harry to 
come to the Dark side. :-) IMO of course.

JMO,
Alla