Hobbsian worlds; Crime & Punishment/Re: CHAPDISC: HBP7, The Slug Club

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 145799

> BAW:
> There is no evidence that Draco was in any way harmed by the 
> experience aside from a good fright and a bit of embarrassment.  
> And nobody ever died of either.

Magpie:

A good fright, embarassment and pain.  There was no lasting physical 
damage, obviously, but Draco's state when it's over is that he is 
humiliated and in pain.  I say that not to suggest that Draco is 
dreadfully injured, but because I think that is a clue that this is 
Barty Crouch, sadist, who had a hand in torturing people until they 
went insane.  People do die from the kind of punishment Barty hands 
out.  Crouch would probably happily kill Draco if he could get away 
with it. His crossing the line is explained away by people this way 
because they think he's Moody.  The scene really isn't written as 
completely comic.  Draco's being a ferret is funny, but to me 
Rowling doesn't seem to make anything funny about the ferret being 
smacked around, imo.  The scene actually doesn't read like pure 
slapstick to me (the movie removes that element and, I think, 
therefore has Moody acting a bit more obviously crazy to make up for 
it).  

Snow:

Now this is interesting
LV has a job that doesn't require Draco to be
qualified, hmmmmm.

Apparently Draco was only initially informed, and he believed, that 
his requirement was to fix the vanishing cabinets thus the 'not 
being qualified' statement and the self-assured attitude from Draco.

Magpie:

I don't quite see why Draco's saying his job doesn't require him to 
be qualified means he didn't know he was supposed to kill 
Dumbledore.  One doesn't have to be qualified to kill someone.

CH3ed:
Ron
laughs upon hearing of Harry's suspicion because he is
underestimating Draco. Harry isn't.

Magpie:

I tend to think this is also a case of Harry knowing Voldemort 
better.  No one doubts that Harry is correct in saying Draco is up 
to something--that's made clear in chapter 6.  They just don't think 
he can be up to something on the level he is.  Harry not only can 
identify with the lengths to which someone his age might go 
(especially with for his father) but he knows (as everyone should) 
that Voldemort wouldn't treat someone all that differently because 
they were 16.  I wonder if this is foreshadowed a bit in PoA where 
Draco is telling Harry how he would want to go after Sirius Black if 
it were his parents that got killed.  Ron says Draco is just trying 
to get Harry to do something stupid, but I think there is a hint 
there that in some ways Harry and Malfoy have something in common.

AHK wrote:
"6. What is the composition of Neville's wand, and will it be
important?"

Magpie:
Unicorn and cherry.  Pure as the driven snow.:-)

-m