Real child abuse/ESE!lupin questions

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No: HPFGUIDX 145846

> Magpie:
> 
> But Draco and Snape both seem to think that *Harry* walks through 
life with 
> a sense of entitlement and gets special treatment, which is why 
they get a 
> special satisfaction in seeing him get smacked down--and 
occasionally the 
> school seems to agree with their pov on this rather than Harry's. 
Harry 
> thinks Draco and his family and his house are the wrong sort.  
Harry's 
> insulting Narcissa doesn't make him any less angry when Draco 
insults his 
> mother.


Alla:

I cannot speak for Amiable Dorsai of course, but I see very little 
similarity between Snape and Draco thinking that Harry gets a 
special treatment, entitlement, etc, AND readers like me getting a 
satisfaction out of reading about Draco's ego being smacked down.

Why? Because I don't see a support in the text to Snape and Draco's 
POV, on the contrary IMO narrator emphasizes all the time that Harry 
does NOT want his fame, has NO sense of entitlement, would give it 
all up to have a real family, would give his money to Weasleys in a 
twinkle of an eye, etc. So, the way I see it, Draco and Snape may 
think along those lines as much as they would like, but I see that 
they are wrong, while when I read about Draco, I see exactly what 
Amiable Dorsai described - the boy thinking that he is above 
everybody else and THAT is IMO supported in the text as well. When 
school turns on Harry, we also see that they are wrong - Harry is 
NOT a Slytherin Heir, Harry did NOT put his name in Goblet of Fire, 
etc,etc, etc.

That is why Draco being put in his place is very satisfactory to me, 
because IMO he needs to be put in his place and IMO we KNOW from 
being in Harry's head that he does NOT have a huge ego and does not 
need to be put in his place.

I just realized something actually. There is one more reason why I 
enjoy "ferrets scene" so much, besides it being example of the humor 
I really like.

I think others pointed it out - I don't see Draco being excessively 
injured in that scene. Oh, sure, we can imagine him being battered 
and bruised, etc, but I don't see it, so I do not see him suffering 
a tad more than he deserves.

I think, not sure, but I think that I would not want Draco to get 
through Umbridge detentions. That I think would have been a bit much 
even for me. Hmmmm, does it mean that I don't hate him that much? 
Nah, I just think that this would have been pure example of abuse 
without being funny and I don't want to read about it even if Draco 
is the main character in the scene, a bit too painful.

But let me stress again, I enjoy "ferret scene" DESPITE it being 
wrong, really, would not want to explain myself again on the same 
topic. :-)


>> Pippin:
> <veg> Nothing except:
<snip>
> Sirius's suspicion that Lupin was the spy

Alla:

Right, OK the majority of the reasons you brought up I think are 
simply plot related reasons or I have some very fundamental meta 
disagreements with them, so I won't even talk about them, but I wish 
you would clarify some of them.

Such as this one - Lupin also suspected that Sirius was a spy, 
right? Do you categorize Sirius as one of DE also? 

Pippin:
> his identification of the werewolves as his "equals" 

Alla:

And they are not? No, seriously how does this point out to Lupin's 
hidden allegiance?

Pippin: 
> his grievance against Umbridge 

Alla:

Same question here.

Pippin: 
> the intractable nature of the werewolf problem

Alla:

Sorry, don't have my dictionary handy. Is intractable a synonym to 
incurable? If yes, do you mean that Lupin went to Voldemort hoping 
that Voldemort will cure him or do you mean something different?

 
Pippin:
> The existence of an unidentified Death Eater who "sent" the
> Lestranges to attack the Longbottoms per JKR's website.
> Bella would not take orders from Snape or Peter. JKR says all 
> the major characters have been introduced. So who was it?

Alla:

Oh, I am sure that we will know the person. My money is on Snape of 
course. My question will be how do you know that Bella won't take 
Orders from Snape? Do you have any indication of Bella and Snape 
relationship during those years? It seems to me that even now, Bella 
completely bought Snape as trusted second in command and we SEE that 
all DE treat Snape on the Tower with great deference. I think that 
even if now Bella does not feel great deference to Snape, I think it 
is a big possibility that she felt it back there.

But even if she did not, it is not necessarily a given, IMO, 
although I could be wrong, that Bella was the one in charge of the 
little group who went to torture Longbottoms.

JMO,

Alla