"Stand aside, girl" and the End

[annemehr]

No: HPFGUIDX 145926

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> wrote:
 
> JKR said there were places Harry needed to go in Book 5 in order 
> to 'play fair for the reader in the resolution of Book 7'. So the 
> Department of Mysteries will be important again. I'm not the first to 
> suggest Lily worked there, it's just that now the idea she might have 
> worked in the Veil room and studied death takes on a new meaning given 
> the information about Voldemort in HBP. His greatest fear is death, 
> and Dumbledore is the only person he feared probably in part because 
> he was unafraid to die, so it's fitting Voldemort might find Lily 
> worrisome if she actually studied death rather than feared it.
<snip>


Annemehr:
That's a very interesting idea.

I have thought in the past that Voldemort may have told Lily to stand
aside because he thought he could make use of her, and I imagined it
was her knowledge of Dumbledore he might want.  Because, even after
Harry was dead, LV would still have had "the only one he ever feared"
to deal with, didn't he, and Lily was likely to be a better source of
information than Peter Pettigrew, if he could get her.  Then, when she
refused to move, he just killed her (priorities, you know -- it was
killing Harry that mattered most at the time).  But in that case, why
didn't he just stun her?


Siriusly Snapey Susan said:
>Heck, maybe his plan was even to turn back
>to her after he'd eliminated Harry and see if he couldn't extract
>information from her about what she'd learned? He might have
>thought of her both as dangerous AND as potentially useful in his
>quest to avoid death and achieve immortality.


Annemehr:
Yes! If Lily studied in the Veil Room, she'd potentially have even
more valuable information in LV's eyes than just the scoop on DD --
but, you are right, she might also be much more dangerous to play
around with.  Why?  Because if she defied him and escaped him a fourth
time, she may have had time to figure out about the Horcruxes.  A
stunner can be blocked, but an AK is supposed to be unblockable, so LV
might have thought it was playing it safe to use it when
"negotiations" failed.  And if she might know things about his
defenses, the stakes are very high.

See, I think it's the combination of all three things that explains
it. 1)Wanting to get information from her if possible; thus the
"negotiation," but 2)Afraid she may have found a weakness in his
immortality or would in the near future, and 3)She had a nasty
tendency of "defying him" and escaping, so: a quick AK and down to the
business of killing Harry.


Alla:
>First of all, how did Voldemort
>find out that Lily worked in the Veil room or Love room, if she
>indeed did? Just asking for your speculations, of course. Snape or
>Peter or something else?


Annemehr:
Augustus Rookwood.  Also an Unspeakable, who was never even known to
be a DE until some time after Lily's death, and perfectly placed for
casual *shop talk* with her about what she was working on. In fact, it
may be that something she said to him was responsible for the timing
of the attack -- maybe she began to get a bit too close to the truth
for comfort.

Hmmm... maybe while we're here, we can wangle a theory about what he
was using Ludo Bagman for, too.  Do you suppose the Quidditch World
Cup is a Horcrux? ;)

Annemehr
resolving to be more here this year