Voldemort vs. Tom/"Stand aside, girl" and the End

[annemehr]

No: HPFGUIDX 145966

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, bawilson at c... wrote:
>
> Gerry:
> "What we've seen of Tom Riddle is that even at eleven he was 
> a little jerk who stole, killed pets and traumatized children 
> younger than he himself. <snip> Young Tom was a thouroughly 
> rotten human being and certainly not someone Harry could ever 
> call a friend. LV reversing back in age will still result in 
> a rotten power-hungry person."
> 
> 
> True; but one young enough to change and heal.  Had Dumbledore 
> taken a more proactive mentoring approach to Tom, he might not 
> have turned to the Dark Side.
> 
> BAW
>

Annemehr snags part of a post out of another thread and lays it
end-to-end with this one:

kchuplis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145948 :

>>You know, I was just thinking of the scene where LV comes to ask for
a teaching
position from DD: "The old argument," he said softly. "But nothing I
have seen
in the
world has supported your famous pronouncements that love is more
powerful than
my kind of magic, Dumbledore." (HBP Scholastic pg. 444);

>>Well, it is clear from this statement that Tom and DD had often had
scholarly
arguments of some kind over this. Despite DD's claim and even LV in
GoF that he
forgot it or discounted it, it is clear that it must have come up either
frequently or at
least vehemently enough to spur that statement to DD.<<

By the way, I agree also that kchuplis has a very good theory for what
LV was thinking at Godric's Hollow, particularly if his doubts about
the uselessness of love at the moment were mostly subconcious, at
least until after it was too late.

So now I'm left with two nice explanations instead of none at all --
oh, well, it makes a nice change.

In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/145949 ,
hpfan_mom wrote:

>> Annemehr wrote:
>If Lily studied in the Veil Room, she'd potentially have even
>more valuable information in LV's eyes than just the scoop on DD --
>but, you are right, she might also be much more dangerous to play
>around with. Why? Because if she defied him and escaped him a fourth
>time, she may have had time to figure out about the Horcruxes.

hpfan_mom:
>If Lily had "stood aside" and escaped Voldemort, she wouldn't have
>defied him. Instead, by standing her ground and protecting Harry,
>she *did* defy him, just as James did minutes earlier.

Annemehr replies:
Oops, sorry, I meant what I wrote to be from LV's point of view -- IF
Lily worked in the Veil Room, and IF Rookwood told LV she might be
getting close to finding weaknesses in LV's defences, then he might
think it  dangerous to allow her to duel and perhaps escape (*again*)
to put her knowledge to use.  Of course, from Lily's (and our) point
of view, you are quite right.

~Annemehr