[HPforGrownups] Points awarded to Trio in PS/SS WAS:Re: First potions lesson

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No: HPFGUIDX 146014



--- dumbledore11214 <dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Chris:
> > The trio did not defeat LV, and neither did Harry,
> he
> > just expelled a demon.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Without Trio expelling a demon and this demon was
> Voldemort himself 
> in his spirit form, Voldemort may have had a chance
> on getting a 
> stone and reemerging in full glory several years
> earlier than he did, 
> IMO.

Chris:
Really, I seem to remember that LV could not get the
stone because he wanted to use it.  DD set up the
mirror that only someone who wanted the stone, but not
use it could have it.

Harry endangered the stone and the rest of the world
by giving LV the access to the stone.

> 
> Chris:
> > How could Sliths expect to be treated with
> anything as
> > good as indifference after that stunt.  DD told
> almost
> > 100 Sliths and about 200 others that no matter how
> > good they are or how hard they work, all it take
> is
> > one moment of stupidity that their personalities
> are
> > not wired for to be loved and win all the glory.
> He
> > all but says that standing up for what is right is
> > good, but not nearly as good as breaking the rules
> and
> > putting lives in danger aka "It's ok as long as
> the
> > world is saved".
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Erm... yes. A LOT of things are forgiven in
> Potterverse IMO if you 
> are saving the world and I would not have the books
> any other way. It 
> is OK for two students to go to the dangerous
> Chamber of Secrets 
> because of they were saving an innocent life, it is
> more than OK but 
> commendable to break the rules and use the time
> turner ( with the 
> blessing of the Headmaster no less) when youa re
> saving not one but 
> two innocent lives.
> 
> I think JKR is very loud and clear  that for higher
> noble purpose 
> rules not only could be broken but SHOULD be broken.
> 
> Fred and George are leaving  the school as heroes
> after they 
> initiated of very LOUD breaking the rules against
> dear Umbridge and 
> this was not even saving the world, just act of
> civil disobedience, 
> IMO.

Chris:

The lessons the books teach are good and should be
taught, but they are not taught in a way that the
lessons can be used. 

It's not OK for children to ignore adults and do what
they want anyway. Harry and Ron had Lockhart at their
mercy and should have gone to a teacher for help, not
what they did.

It's not OK for children or anyone to do what they
want simply because you know something different than
what is accepted as truth. We see the concequences of
those action by Sirius being dead because Harry
doesn't follow the rules.

It's certainly not OK to buck the justice system, even
if it is flawed, just to save 1 or 2 lives. Harry
should have been fighting the ministry to present the
truth of Sirius.  Truth serum, non-cheating quills,
and the pensives are all ways Harry could have told
the truth. Instead he aided an escaped convict,
keeping him hidden when he could have been freed.



> As to how Slyths could expect to be treated good
> after this - they 
> WERE. They won the cup for SEVEN years. After that
> little fact I 
> personally don't buy for a second that Dumbledore is
> in any way, 
> shape or form prejudiced against Slytherins. It is
> just as Valky 
> said - this year Trio committed IMO the act of
> heroism and were 
> rewarded for that.
> 
> Could Dumbledore award points earlier? I guess, but
> it made for such 
> great read and I like what Pippin speculated that
> maybe last minutes 
> points are often awarded, we just have not seen it.
> 
> IMO of course,
> 
> Alla

Chris:
Yes, it made for a great read, I completely agree.
That's why these are such great fiction books. 

But DD was still cruel to the Slyths by awarding the
points the way he did. And we do not know that the
Slyths did anything unfair to earn any of their
points. (There are examples in the books of Gryffs
cheating in Quiddich, just as the Slyths did.) We
never see any other example of Slyths earning unfair
points (barring Umbridge). I suspect Slyths earned
their points fairly and I've only seen Gryffs awarding
things unfairly.

Mezu

"You irritate me. Kill me now." ~Javert, Les Miserables


		
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