Wording of the Prophecy

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 146379

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Bee Chase <luckdragon64 at y...> 
wrote:

> Goddlefrood <gav_fiji at y...> wrote:    > Luckdragon:
> > Yes! Tom Riddle & Lord Voldemort are the same being, however the 
> prophecy was worded very carefully by the writer and only refers 
to LV under his assumed name and not his birth name.
>    
>   Goddlefrood
> 
> Quite simply it does not. It states that the one with the power to 
> defeat the Dark Lord approaches.
(snip> Luckdragon:
>   Sorry! Lord Voldemort/Dark Lord. I humbly stand corrected.

Tonks now:

This leads me to thinking again about the concept of The Dark Lord 
and what this little detail might mean to unraveling the prophecy.

Who is the Dark Lord?

Is it Tom Riddle turned Lord Voldemort or is the Dark Lord something 
else.  I wrote about this some time ago, but I can never find an old 
post so I will try to say it again.

In real occult literature the Dark Lord is Death.  Lord Voldemort is 
trying to become the Lord over Death, or the Lord of Death, but has 
he really?  

Here is something that I found among occult items.  It is called the 
charge to the Dark God, but it could be called the Dark Lord I think.
Now I don't profess to know much about the occult, but coming across 
this I thought of LV and the fact that the Death Eaters call him The 
Dark Lord.  Why do they do that?  Perhaps that is a cue of some 
sort. Otherwise why wouldn't the prophesy say LV.  It doesn't, it 
says "Dark Lord."  And herein may be our answer.  We know (from 
JKR's recent interview) that the main theme of the books is death 
and the trumpet of Love over Death. (This by the way is a strong 
Christian theme as well.)

Here is the first part of "Charge of the Dark God":

"I am the Shadow in the bright day.  I am the reminder of motility 
at the height of living.  I am the never-ending veil of Night, where 
the star goddess dances.  I am the Death that must be so that Life 
can continue, for behold, Life is immortal because the living must 
die.

I am the strength that protects, that limits; I am the power that 
says No, No Further and That Is Enough. I am the thing that can not 
be spoken of; I am the laughter at the edge of death
"

I don't know the origin of this writing.  Or if it was some ancient 
source that maybe JKR is aware of or not.  

In order to understand the prophesy, we may need to think outside of 
the box.  What exactly does LV represent in these books?  Why is he 
called only "the Dark Lord" by his followers? 

In this Charge to the Dark God, there are some things that look 
familiar, such as "I am the laugher at the edge of Death".  Remember 
the high pitched laughter when Lily was killed?  And the "I am the 
one that can not be spoken of" and the fact that in HP most do not 
want to say LV's name.

And what does that convoluted part about immortality and death mean 
here?  Again, maybe this is a clue to the prophesy.  What I am not 
sure, but is seems structured in the same way.  As some sort of 
union of opposites or ???  There must be someone here that can see 
something that I can't. Maybe a Philosophy professor???  
I am sure that if we all put our heads together, we can figure this 
out.

"One can not live while the other survives".  Life can not go on for 
ever while Death survives.  "One must die at the hand of the other" 

 are we talking about Love and Death here as personified in Harry 
and LV??  Maybe it is all a metaphor.  I am just pondering as I go 
here
 any ideas??  

Somehow I think it comes down to the only way to overcome Death (the 
Dark Lord) is by Love and the Eternal life that this brings. This 
would be as in the Christian concept of Eternal life thru Christ. as 
opposed to the false eternal life that Tom Riddle seeks.  I would 
bet somehow this is what she will get to in the end, in subliminal 
form of course, but how??

Tonks_op