Harry the Defender Was Re: Harry Vanquishing LV without killing him.

[quick_silver71]

No: HPFGUIDX 146381

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "h2so3f" <h2so3f at y...> wrote:
>
> CH3ed:
> I'd rather have Nagini be the last horcrux left and acts like a 
true 
> snake in the end by biting the own master, LV. Assuming that 
Nagini's 
> venom is fatal to LV when injected instead of taken orally, this 
will 
> kill LV's body (his home soul is again ripped from his body). Then 
> Harry can kill Nagini (an animal, afterall...and not a human), 
which 
> then should either kill LV's home soul for good, or leave it 
> vulnerable to be destroyed...maybe by a hungry dementor? Or both 
the 
> home soul and the last horcruxed soul could both die together when 
> Nagini bites LV? 

I have something of a moral quandary about Harry not killing 
Voldemort. Let's assume the Snape is completely on the "Good" side 
(i.e. allied with Dumlbedore and Harry and co.). Now Sanpe was 
willing, from a certain point of view, to kill Dumbledore for a plan 
that "may" have helped bring about Voldemort's final defeat. It 
could not, perhaps Voldemort secretly knows about it or even planned 
Dumbledore death, and then Dumbledore's sacrifice is essentially 
pointless (from one point of view).

Now this troubles me because: 1) Snape killed in the name of the 
greater good, 2) Dumbledore asked Snape to use Dark magic to do the 
deed (so much for Dumbledore opposing Dark magic eh?), and 3) If 
Dumbledore is willing to ask Snape to use Dark magic why couldn't 
he, Dumbledore, have tried to kill Voldemort with it (before he knew 
about the Horcrux's). 

Harry has every reason from twisted and dark (Voldemort killed his 
parent's
so he want revenge) to noble (saving the lives of those 
that will die because of Voldemort) to kill Voldemort. He almost 
certainly has self-defense on his side and the support of the 
society which is threatened by Voldemort. The fact that Snape and 
Dumbledore felt that they had to step over the live (i.e. not kill 
and not use the Dark Arts) means that Harry too should learn that 
there is a line and sometimes is has to be crossed. 

Using a Dementor is even worse then murder because IMO Dementor 
represent a force of death and decay in the world (Dumbledore 
certainly didn't like them) and they are described as vile and foul 
by Lupin. In a way using a Dementor would be like me letting a lion 
killer a murderer. Technically I didn't kill the person but in 
reality I did
in fact the Dementor's don't care about innocence so 
they can't even pass a moral judgment on Voldemort. JMO by using a 
Voldemort against Voldemort is on the same level, if not worse, then 
using the Dark Arts against him and Death Eaters.   

Now maybe I'm over-analyzing but I often think of Harry like Hector 
of Troy (although I've never read the Iliad I've seen the recent 
movie and read summaries and spark notes of the story). He can be 
proud, arrogant at times, and sometimes cruel but at his heart he is 
the Defender of the Wizarding World. Note that word...Defender...he 
is not a great thinker, inventor, moralizer, man of the age, etc. 
like Dumbledore or maybe even like Snape (assuming a best case 
Snape). Harry is existentially a warrior in my mind, perhaps 
reluctant...which is probably a good thing because he avoids many of 
the problems that come with seeking out conflict (look at the lives 
of Draco, James, Sirius, Fred and George, Percy, Snape, Tom Riddle). 
Harry is the best at the most martial type of magic, Defense against 
the Dark Arts (surpassing even Hermione...did anyone in his grade 
other then him get a DADA owl of O?)...and excels at physical 
activities. Part of defending the wizarding world means Harry may 
have to use lethal force. Now will that damage his 
soul...probably...yet is that sacrifice worth making? Dumbledore 
sacrificed his life for a plan (assuming there was some sort of plan 
going on the Tower). 

On a side note...the reason that I make the comparison between Harry 
and Hector is that JK in a interview said that part of the graveyard 
scene was based on part of the Iliad (the Hector Patroclus Achilles 
triangle). I also noticed that Voldemort has a similar obsession as 
Achilles...he was to be immortal (Achilles in the sense that people 
will remember him, Voldemort means it literally). What's more both 
are portrayed as being powerful...Achilles is unrivalled in his 
fighting abilities and Voldemort is probably the mightiest wizard 
alive. 

Quick_Silver (rambling and incoherent at this time in the morning)