Harry Vanquishing LV without killing him.

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 146533

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "a_svirn" <a_svirn at y...> wrote:
>
> > Geoff:
> > I see it as the other way round - the prophecy appeared to 
Macbeth 
> to 
> > be a literal one and hence could not be fulfilled but the outcome 
> was 
> > a metaphorical interpretation of what the witches prophesied.
> 
> a_svirn:
> I guess it depends on how we understand *metaphorical*. When I say 
> that Macbeth interpreted "no man of woman born" and "until //Great 
> Birnam Wood, to high Dunsinane Hill" metaphorically I mean that he 
> saw these phrases as nothing more than figures of speech meaning 
*no 
> one* and *never*. And that's what metaphor is – a figure of speech. 
> As it turned out, however, the meaning was literal and not at all 
> figurative. 

Geoff:
It's not the meaning of metaphorical - I think we agree on that. It's 
the outcome that is the item under discussion in the same way that it 
is the actual and possible outcomes of Trelawney's various prophecies 
which have been under scrutiny on the group.

I accept that Caesarean section can be considered to be "not of woman 
born" but **no way** did Birnam wood come to Dunsinane.  I might just 
as well pick up a branch in my local wood and claim that I am a tree -
 which I'm not! So, as I said previously, I see the *outcomes* of the 
Shakespeare prophecies as diametrically opposed. Thus, I think that 
we could see a whole swathe of possible interpretations for that 
confounded prophecy covering Harry and Voldemort.