The GoF Train Scene (was:Re: Humanity, Kant, Caricatures, and Draco)

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 146638

Betsy Hp wrote:
<snip>
> Draco *hated* Fake!Moody.  And at first that was fine with Draco's 
> world view.  Aurors are barbaric and evil.  Except Fake!Moody turns 
> out to be a Death Eater, so suddenly the man who tortured Draco, the 
> man who attacked and used Krum, the man who helped kill Cedric, is 
> an ally. <snip>

Carol responds:
Sorry for snipping most of your interesting post, which certainly
presents the incident from a perspective that never occurred to
me--nor, I would guess, to most of the people on this list.

But I wonder if Draco ever found out that Fake!Moody was Barty Crouch
Jr. (whom he, like everyone else, would have thought dead, if he knew
about him at all). Dumbledore at the end-of-term feast said very
little about what happened to Cedric and Harry, though he honored
them, and nothing at all about what happened to Krum or Fake!Moody.
The real Moody is still alive. Is it generally known at Hogwarts, much
less in the WW at large, that "Moody" was an imposter who had his soul
sucked out by a Dementor while the real Moody was locked in his own
trunk for ten months?

Certainly Fudge, who is on the outs with Dumbledore and controlling
the Daily Prophet in OoP, was unlikely to leak the real story.
Granted, his father probably told him that Voldemort had been
resurrected, and he may even have mentioned Wormtail, but he knew
nothing about "the loyal Death Eater at Hogwarts." Would Draco have
figured out that the mad Auror who turned him into a ferret was the
same person as the loyal DE who put Harry's name in the Goblet of Fire
and turned it into a portkey? I don't think he knows what happened.
Granted, DADA classes were cancelled at the end of term, but the real
Moody attended the end-of-year feast. Were the students ever given an
explanation? Harry certainly didn't tell anyone. (The DA members in
OoP demonstrate pretty clearly that even students in houses other than
Slytherin have very little idea of what Harry has gone through, and
none of them knows what happened to Harry and Cedric when they
disappeared from the maze.)

So while I understand the point you're making about Draco's world
suddenly turning upside down, I wonder if he really knew as much as
you seem to think he does about Fake!Moody's real identity or even
about Krum being attacked and used by him.

It's unclear just how much the spectators saw from the stands. Did
they realize that Krum had Crucio'd Cedric and that Harry had to stun
him? If so, do they wonder why Krum isn't in Azkaban? Do they know why
Karkaroff ran away after the third task and deserted his students? Do
they know that Fake!Moody was a Death Eater, even if they don't know
his name?

I see no evidence that they know any of these things. So while Draco
and his fellow sons of Death Eaters know that Voldemort is indeed
back, and by the end of OoP, Draco's idolized father is in Azkaban,
but I think he's very far from knowing the full situation.

Carol, wishing that Dumbledore would just explain things and not leave
people wondering (but then, we wouldn't be here if he did)