The GoF Train Scene (was:Re: Humanity, Kant, Caricatures, and Draco)

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 146648

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Magpie" <belviso at a...> wrote:

Magpie:
> Your suggestion that he doesn't know all this makes sense to me, 
but I think 
> there's a conversation between Umbridge and Dean where she refers 
to their 
> Death Eater teacher and Dean confirms their being taught by a DE 
but says 
> they learned loads.  At least that's how I remember it--I don't 
have the 
> book to look it up.  I have no idea how the kids would have found 
out, but 
> that scene seemed to suggest it was known by some people, including 
Dean the 
> Muggleborn.

Geoff:
Yes, you're right. I'd forgotten that bit. Quite interesting re-
reading:

'"I repeat," said Professor Umbridge, smiling in a very irritating 
fashion at Dean, "do you expect to be attacked during my classes?"
"No, but -"
Professor Umbridge talked over him. " I do not wish to criticise the 
way things have been run in this school," she said, an unconvincing 
smile stretching her wide mouth, "but you have been exposed to some 
very irresponsible wizards in this class, very irresponsible indeed - 
not to mention," she gave a nasty little laugh, "extremely dangerous 
half-breeds."
"If you mean Professor Lupin," piped up Dean angrily, "he was the 
best we ever -"
"Hand, Mr.Thomas! As I was saying - you have been introduced to 
spells that have been complex, inappropriate to your age group and 
potentially lethal. You have been frightened into believing that you 
are likely to meet Dark attacks every other day -"
"No, we haven't," Hermione said, "we just -"
"Your hand is not up, Miss Granger!"
Hermione put up her hand. Professor Umbridge turned away from her.
"It is my understanding that my predecessor not only performed 
illegal curses in front of you, he actually performed them on you."
"Well, he turned out to be a maniac, didn't he?" said Dean 
hotly. "Mind you, we still learned loads."'
(OOTP "Professor Umbridge" p.219 UK edition)