Sword is a horcrux

[annemehr]

No: HPFGUIDX 146716

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "nuriaobradors" <nobradors at h...>
wrote:
>
> 
> > Hamstermap wrote:     
> > I don't remember but should go back through but others say that 
> >  when he attempted for a Hogwarts job for a 2nd time that as he 
> >  left he made a motion of his hand. What if before the "interview" 
> >  he had killed someone and as he left he used the horcrux "spell" 
> >  or whatever it was, only nonverbally I'm just assuming, and if he 
> >  did he knows it's in a safe place because all of the headmasters 
> >  would protect it.  So, it would be a perfect place for it.

Nuri:
> What the book says:

HBP:
> "Oh, you want to come back to Hogwarts, but you do not want to teach
> any more than you wanted to when you were eighteen. What is it you're
> after, Tom? Why not try an open request for once?"
> Voldemort sneered. "If you do not want to give me a job —"
> "Of course I don't," said Dumbledore. "And I don't think for a moment
> you expected me to. Nevertheless, you came here, you asked, you must 
> have had a purpose."
> <snip>
> For a second, Harry was on the verge of shouting a pointless warning: 
> He was sure that Voldemort's hand had twitched toward his pocket and 
> his wand; but then the moment had passed, Voldemort had turned away, 
> the door was closing, and he was gone.
> <snip>
> "Why?" said Harry at once, looking up into Dumbledore's face. "Why did
> he come back? Did you ever find out?"
> "I have ideas," said Dumbledore, "but no more than that."
> "What ideas, sir?"
> "I shall tell you, Harry, when you have retrieved that memory from
> Professor Slughorn," said Dumbledore.
> .........................
> "I would be prepared to bet — perhaps not my other hand — but a 
> couple of fingers, that they be-came Horcruxes three and four. The 
> remaining two, assuming again that he created a total of six, are 
> more of a problem, but I will hazard a guess that, having secured
> objects from Hufflepuff and Slytherin, he set out to track down 
> objects owned by Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. Four objects from the four 
> founders would, I am sure, have exerted a powerful pull over 
> Voldemort's imagination. I can-not answer for whether he ever managed 
> to find anything of Ravenclaw's. I am confident, however, that the 
> only known relic of Gryffindor remains safe."
> Dumbledore pointed his blackened fingers to the wall behind him, where
> a ruby-encrusted sword reposed within a glass case.
[/HBP quotes]

Nuri:
<big snip> 
> Considering the sword was used to fight a part of Riddle's soul 
> itself, sounds indeed very unlikely. Yet we don't know how being a 
> horcrux affects an object "normal" use. <snip> Depending on how this
works, the sword could have been a 
> horcrux and still serve its purpose of aiding a true gryffindor in 
> peril.
> 
> Now, considering LV fleeting visit to DD's office - what if it's the 
> other way round? Perhaps the object to become a horcrux is 'marked' 
> in advance by a spell, the when the murder is committed, a more 
> complete ritual is performed on the corpse that allows the soul-piece 
> to be transferred to the previously selected Horcrux. 
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Nuri
>

Annemehr:
So we have LV's actions: a job request and a hand motion.
We have DD's words: that LV would have liked to make a Hx of the
Sword, that he's confident LV was not able to, and that LV didn't
actually expect to be hired as a teacher.

The wiggle-room in the idea of LV making a Gryffindor Hx is that DD
calls the sword "the only known Gryffindor relic."  It can't be ruled
out that LV somehow managed to find another one that DD does not know
about, however unlikely you may think it.  Is this where Godric's
Hollow comes in?

The thing that sticks in my mind is that DD doesn't think for a moment
that LV expected him to give him a teaching position -- therefore,
whatever LV hoped to accomplish here, he must have counted on
accomplishing it that day during his visit.  And why show the memory
to Harry if it's irrelevant, if LV was unsuccessful?  But DD must have
a reason to be confident the sword was untouched, and I imagine he
does know how to make a Hx and whether LV had a real chance to do it
during that visit.

My guess is that DD is correct, and that sword is not a Hx, but also
that Harry will need to remember that visit by LV for some other
reason.  Harry may even need to know that the sword is "clean" if he
has another occasion to use it.

My impression of LV's hand motion is that it reminded me of OoP, when
Harry lost his wand in the dark and reflexively said "Lumos!" It lit
up, only inches from his hand.  Perhaps LV did a nonverbal spell and
was able to channel it through his wand when his hand was near it. The
spell itself, I thought, may have been the jinx he put on the DADA
position.

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