[HPforGrownups] Re: ESE!Lupin condensed

[Karen]

No: HPFGUIDX 146875


On Sunday, January 22, 2006, at 08:24 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:
> I was also left cold the the speed at which Sirius (and his meaning,
> affect on Harry, the whole arc) was disposed of. I wondered and
> still do if that is a harbinger of things to come. Usefulness over,
> character gone and forgotten. She does have quite a bit on her plate
> without getting in too deep.

kchuplis:
I admire the speed and finality of death in these books. They are just 
very realistic. It gives us, the reader, that same wrenching "left 
undone" feel that a true close death gives. JKR does not skirt the 
issue of how final, how scary, how sudden and how empty death is for 
the living.

susanbones:
>
> But I have another question that has been roaming around in my head
> for a while. I know people have touched on it but I want to talk
> about this square on if possible. At least one DE has been quite
> helpful to Harry. Barty Crouch Jr. gave him a thorough introduction
> to resisting the Imperious curse. I don't think it would be over-
> stating the case to say that the ability to resist that curse may
> have been instrumental in avoiding death at the graveyard. It was
> certainly an important aspect of his survival. Now, if we are to
> believe ESE!Lupin, and it does have its merits, what are we to think
> of the Patronus lessons? Another person on the wrong side who does
> Harry a very important good turn... Of course if Lupin never
> intended to get caught, it could mean he never intended to have to
> chose a side and is perhaps in his own convoluted way, not really
> working for LV. Or is it possible that neither thought Harry'd make
> it far enough in a confrontation with LV to use anything they'd
> taught him? Can anyone comment?

kchuplis:
I still feel that the ability to throw of the Imperious curse was 
pretty innate. Crouch DID however give Harry the practice needed. Now, 
whether BC was trying to break him down or (what did happen) make him 
better at it, I guess we have to guess. I will say that one of the 
"dark side" themes in the books seems to be "underestimation". They 
continually underestimate the "good" guys, considering them weak. Also, 
consider, had Crouch NOT been caught, he could have gone back to LV 
loaded with info about what Harry can and cannot do that would help 
alleviate some of this underestimation. I'm sure he never thought he'd 
be swiftly sucked up by snack happy dementors. And so are the wages of 
war.