Why Tom left Merope /Draco and Harry

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 146992

> > >>Alla:
> Betsy Hp:
> Yes, but it was the kidnapping and raping that turned Tom off 
> Merope.  And it was the spell or potion that turned Tom onto her.  
> Tom didn't leave Merope because she was a witch.  He left her 
> because she'd used him so horribly.  <SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, he left her because she used him, but she used him using " 
magical means", the means that only witch or wizard can use, so I 
don't think that it is too much to assume that besides specific 
reasons for leaving Merope , Tom had more general reasons. ONLY witch 
can prepare "love potion", muggle obviously cannot, so IMO Tom left 
her because she was a witch and because she used him as only witch 
can.

> Betsy Hp:
> Hmmm, I know Draco is often referred to as a bully, but I'm not 
sure 
> there's any instinces of Draco bullying in canon.  He's cruel to 
> Neville a few times, but I don't recall him ever coming near the 
> type of bullying we see Dudley engaged in. 

Alla:

Yes, we obviously differ on that one. To me what Draco and his goons 
do to Neville or attempt to do Neville in PS/SS IS the same level of 
what Dudley and his gang did to Harry.


> > >>Alla:
> > How do you know that? How do you know that Draco insults Hagrid 
> > because he wants to amuse Harry?
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Because Draco calls Harry's attention to Hagrid and because Draco 
> likes to be amusing.  And because, quite frankly, Hagrid is a 
rather 
> amusing character.

Alla:

Draco calls Harry's attention to Hagrid BEFORE he knows who Hagrid 
is, after that his words became very not amusing, to me anyway.



> Betsy Hp:
> When did Draco spit?  I don't recall any spitting. Your quote 
> certainly doesn't have any spitting in it.

Alla:

Oh, I was trying to be metaphorical, unsuccesfully, obviously. Draco 
talks disgusting words. Sounds better?

Betsy Hp:
<SNIP>
Per canon 
> Hagrid does get drunk and per canon Hagrid can take some rather 
> foolish actions (Norbert).  I'm not sure why pointing that out 
means 
> that Draco is either prejudiced (against what exactly?) or 
> judgemental.

Alla:

Because Draco characterises  the person whom he NEVER met as quite 
bad person. To me it is prejudice.


> > >>Alla:
> > That's the point, IMO. Because he did not know who Harry Potter   
> > was, Draco shows him his ugly inner self by insulting ALL         
> > muggleborn witches and wizards.
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
<SNIP>
So Draco's beliefs about Muggleborns 
> aren't because he's been raised to think a certain way and has 
never 
> had that sort of thinking challenged, but because deep inside Draco 
> is just a horrible, ugly, little boy.

Alla:

Erm... NO, Betsy. Draco's beliefs about Muggleborns are what MAKES 
him to be horrible, ugly person. That would be the correct summary of 
my position. Of course, Draco was raised to think a certain way, we 
ALL get our beliefs from somewhere. I am not saying that Draco cannot 
change his beliefs, but neither I am willing to EXCUSE his beliefs 
because he was raised that way. Draco is Lucius' son, but I want him 
to take responsibility for who he is, till then - YES he is that 
horrible person in my book. 


Betsy Hp: 
> Draco *does* display his prejudices.  And Ron does not display 
his.  
> So Harry befriends Ron, and when Ron recoils from Hagrid because 
> he's a half-giant, and when Ron is repulsed by Lupin being a 
> werewolf, and when Ron thinks it's fitting that Filch is a squib, 
> Harry forgives him and gives Ron a chance to realize that Hagrid is 
> still Hagrid and Lupin is all right too.

Alla:

Ron at twelve years of age knows that the word "mudblood" is wrong 
and knows WHY it is wrong. Ron NEVER stops being Hagrid's friend, so 
I am afraid I cannot see how Ron comes even remotely close to Draco 
in the prejudice department. As to giving Ron chance after chance - 
well, Ron proves himself worthy of his chances. He knows when he is 
wrong and he learns from his mistakes, IMO.

Betsy Hp:
  But Draco is such a lost 
> cause anyway, it's best that Harry have nothing to do with him.  
The 
> Sorting Hat is completely wrong, and Dumbledore is a fool.

Alla:

You said it, not me. :-)


JMO,

Alla