[HPforGrownups] Re: Do any list members think Dumbledore might have asked Snape to kill him?

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 147029

On 1/24/06, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Corey Overton" <coverton at n...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi list members, how's it going? Are any list members of the
> > view that Dumbledore might have asked Snape to kill Dumbledore
> > because he was dying anyway? I think Snape killed Dumbledore
> > because he's with Voldemort. Just wondering what people think.
> >
> > Your fellow member,
> > Corey
> >
>
> bboyminn:
>
> Despite how many times this has been discussed, I doubt that it can
> every be resolved until we have the last book. Even then, it may not
> be completely resolved.
>
> Personally, I resist all speculation that Dumbledore and Snape sat
> down and conspired for Snape to kill Dumbledore. That is too far
> fetched and most unlikely. However, I don't have a problem with
> Dumbledore impressing on Snape that Harry's life was of vital
> important, and that Harry's life was more valuable than even his own
> (Dumbledore's that is).
> ...

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Kemper now:
So are you saying that Snape didn't come to Dumbledore about the UV even
with all its loop-holes?
I suspect Snape told Dumbledore after which Dumbledore in all his wisdom
discussed a contingency plan based on the slight possibility that Snape
might be expected to kill Dumbledore, again in spite of the obvious
loop-holes.
.
Why would Snape kill Dumbledore when there's the option to make it look like
a killing?  The answer is obvious from the OFH!Snapers and the ESE!Snapers
but not to this DDM!Snaper.  I don't see DDM!Snape killing Dumbledore.  It
doesn't make sense.  If he did kill Dumbledore, it won't be because he had
no other recourse:
.
>From DD to Draco: the idea of hiding in Death.
>From Fake!Moody to 4th years and from Bellatrix to Harry: you have to mean
the curse, you have to desire it.  Casting the curse or any spell without
the necessary intent/desire will make the curse/spell weak if it works at
all.  Saying an incantation doesn't make a spell successful.  There is
countless canon for this from Charms classes to Transfiguration classes,
from Patronus lessons to the DA.
.
If Snape did kill Dumbledore, then he is not Dumbledore's man.
.
>From Snape's first lesson: a brew to stopper death.
>From DD to MacGonagall: trusting Hagrid with his life.
.
How do the last two relate?  I'm supposing that DD, a man late in life, may
have a list of things to do in case he's dead.  One of those things would be
to pour some amount of the brew into his mouth.  Just in case.  Just in
case he's not comatose and about to suffocate in a tomb or, worse, be
cremated.  I see the brew as liquid cryonics.  Hagrid carried, seemingly,
Dumbledore's body and therefore, seemingly, Hagrid prepared the body for
burial.  Anyone at the funeral could have brought the body to the alter by
magic or physique, except for Figg and Filch, but it was Hagrid as though
this was requested of him.
.
Steve, you asked once why? Why would Dumbledore be alive?  What purpose does
his living serve the story?
.
2/3 of the Horcruxes seem to require the aid of Snape.  It seems likely that
Harry may require the same help with at least one other (not the snake).  I
think many of us see this as a probability and I think you even proposed a
similar scenario.  But Harry won't trust Snape unless he is given some
proof.  That proof will be Dumbledore's life, comatose or not.
.
Kemper,
1/5 read of Ptomey's Gate... who wishes he could read at work as well as
reading/responding to email.


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