VA/H=Mx13+RP? Snape's Culpability?

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No: HPFGUIDX 147221

> Magpie:
> 
> Yes.  It gets back to the idea of everyone really not being on the 
same side 
> with the same pov.  Voldemort is not the evil guy from the DE's 
pov--he's 
> the guy who's purging the world of filth.
<snip>

Alla:

Yes, indeed, but from JKR's point of view, IMO of course, wrong side 
is wrong side, no matter what, so characters may think that they are 
right, but JKR is IMO is not shy expressing disagreement with 
character's judgment. There ARE many books where "sides' so to speak 
are not so clearly shown and the right side is the one the character 
thinks is the one and supposedly good characters do bad things and 
supposedly bad characters do good things, etc,etc.

The sides in "Potterverse" IMO are drawn very clearly, as I said in 
the past, so if character THINKS that he is right that does not mean 
that author thinks that the character is indeed right. So, in the 
different book, I would see your argument with more clarity, in 
Potterverse, it completely falls for me. Sorry! JKR may allow 
characters to change and realise that they were wrong in the past, 
but there is asolutely no way, IMO of course that she would show 
that Voldemort's SIDE is right, was right all along. It is IMO quite 
simple - those who fought for Voldemort who want redemption, in 
Potterverse are sort of obligated to realise that what they fought 
for was wrong, end of story. Regulus realised that and either died 
as a hero or maybe resurface as a hero ( I keep thinking that 
Regulus could show up, since he is dead "these days).

People keep saying that Snape realised that. :-) Which is entirely 
possible of course. ;)


Magpie:
 > This has nothing to do with Snape being less culpable--the 
consequence of 
> Voldemort targetting Harry is obviously a forseeable consequence 
of what he 
> Snape did.  I don't think Snape was *confused* by finding out how 
Voldemort 
> interpreted it.  Dismayed, but he surely realized that this was a 
logical 
> interpretation of the prophecy Snape gave him--that's why he took 
stpes to 
> undo it.

Alla:

LOL! Agreed, so what did you argue the point above for? Just curious.


Magpie:
  What makes Snape less culpable is the fact that he took action to 
> fix what he had done before.  If that means nothing, what would be 
the point 
> in people doing the right thing?  <SNIP>

Alla:

YES, it means something, sure, IF Snape indeed tried to do the right 
thing, except I am not sure that Snape indeed tried to do it.


Magpie:
<SNIP>
 In that scenario, Peter's decision to betray the Potters 
> stands on its own, a completely separate, free choice to betray 
them.

Alla:

On that I disagree completely. I did say yesterday that sure Peter 
is  much guiltier in Potters deaths if Snape tried to do the right 
thing, but without Snape's doing his deed, Peter may not have NEEDED 
to do that choice, ever, so in my book it can NEVER be evaluated 
completely separate from what Snape did. IMO they tied together and 
it just cannot be undone.

JMO,

Alla