[HPforGrownups] Re: The importance of death /Harry and Cedric

[Karen]

No: HPFGUIDX 147298




  lupinlore wrote:
  >  CEDRIC causes such an explosion and Sirius doesn't?  Sorry, don't 
  buy it.  And I especially don't buy it because of, of all beings, 
  Kreacher.  At the end of OOTP Harry is, quite rightly, full of 
  murderous fury toward Kreacher.  Then he becomes Kreacher's master 
  scarcely three weeks later and his response is "Uhhh, okay?" Sorry, 
  that isn't private. That's catatonic. <


  kchuplis:
  I'd still like canon where you see Harry "Uhh, Ok". First off the end of OoTP he spends an awful lot of time in denial or trying to think of a way that Sirius could come back. Natural. I can still clearly recall dreaming over and over that my fathre was coming back after he died, just in the first few weeks. Everything seemed unreal and quite honestly, I felt sick a lot of the time, but didn't necessarily burst into tears. Then I went into the spacing out mode. People found me extremely quiet. People kind of want to talk to you but you don't want to talk or if you do it's like people are afraid to bring it up. I dunno, sounds like grief to me at least as I have experienced it. That's the funny thing about grief...it's shown differently for everyone (though I really do believe people go through the same process). So maybe I am just relating because that's how it was for me when my father died. 

  Jez:

  I'm afraid I agree with Karen on this one:

  I think in terms of Cedric, Harry's reaction is about right; have you 
  ever seen/touched a corpse? It is a very weird feeling, even if you 
  have no guilt over the death. As such I think being overly emotional 
  for a while is perfectly natural (this is his first dead body).


  kchuplis:
  True but also, I think if it had JUST been finding Cedric dead he would not have been so emotional But let's look at Harry's first REAL encounter with death as a in your face event and not some past story about your parents: you have just gone through a pretty demanding maze challenge in which you were cut up and dropped on your leg injuring it, then unexpectedly you are suddenly in a creepy graveyard which confuses you, you are tied down, watch your schoolmate mowed down in cold blood, watch a dismemberment, have your arm cut open, have your worst nightmare form in front of you and then torture you numerous (touching the scar, and two crucios I think?) times while a ring of people watch like it's some torture orgy and then use what strength you have left to hold off your worst nightmare and then have the dead schoolmate actually make a request of you to bring the body with as you escape from hell, which you manage to do after being chased down by death eaters and running like hell on your injured leg ....pyshcologically, I guess we have a fairly high TERROR level and physically there can't be an inch of him that isn't in pain (heck, I lose control when I have a migraine, I think that pain and stress levels greatly reduce emotional balance)... I guess my emotional defenses would be pretty well shot to the moon and back at that point , so, I certainly think Harry has plenty of reason to be a bit shell shocked and out of control. OoTP is a lot happening in a little bit of time, but it is not the terrorfest the graveyard was (IMO). 

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